PPU / packageset applications and membership

[Dave Walker]

On 4 August 2015 at 09:20, Iain Lane <laney at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 04:07:28PM -0700, Brian Murray wrote:
>> >
>> > This says that we split the rights, but that we didn't expect people to
>> > have to say that they want membership too, and also that we wouldn't
>> > explicitly membership either unless to grant upload rights without it.
>>
>> Is there a word missing in the above sentence?
>
> explicitly *consider*
>
>>
>> > Basically the default case, unless we say otherwise, should be to grant
>> > membership. That's what I'm asking us to confirm.
>>
>> If you mean membership in the "ubuntumembers" team for those who don't
>> already have it. I agree.
>>
>> Additionally, reviewing the email thread you provided I believe
>> ubuntu-dev is the appropriate team for teward as he was already an
>> Ubuntu member.
>
> ~ubuntu-dev.
>
> I'm saying that we at the time intended this non-membership thing to be
> an *exception*, and in most cases we will not even mention membership
> because it is implied. We will only mention it if we want to give
> someone upload rights without membership.
>
> That is: most people join ~ubuntu-dev when they get PPU/packageset
> rights. In the rare other cases they will go to ~ubuntu-uploaders. No I
> don't know why Sergio is in -uploaders.
>
> I believe Micah has a different recollection.
>
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> Iain Lane                                  [ iain at orangesquash.org.uk ]
> Debian Developer                                   [ laney at debian.org ]
> Ubuntu Developer                                   [ laney at ubuntu.com ]
>

It always used to be the case that a definition of a Ubuntu Developer
was someone who had any upload access to Ubuntu Primary archives,
either PPU, Package Set, MOTU or Core.

Being a member of ~ubuntu-dev gives the person indirect ~ubuntumembers
additional voting rights and the privilege to be unmoderated on
ubuntu-devel mailing list.

Considering the barrier for ~ubuntumembers is 'significant and
sustained contributions to Ubuntu' - i'd suggest that anyone who has
been granted upload access has met this barrier to be entrusted.

We have seen Debian developers proving the, "If you are a Debian
developer, you are also a Ubuntu developer" principle by applying for
PPU for packages they maintain in Debian.  If the principle of the
argument is agreed with, then the sustained contribution to Debian
provides merit to support Ubuntu Membership and is capped off by DMB
being happy they understand Ubuntu processes.

So to turn the question on it's head, why would someone with upload
access /not/ be allowed to be a member of ~ubuntu-dev and therefore
~ubuntumembers?

Thanks

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Kind Regards,
Dave Walker