[xubuntu-users] xubuntu-users Digest, Vol 203, Issue 2
Carl Snyder
carlwsnyder at gmail.com
Mon Dec 11 13:19:33 UTC 2023
Re: USB Boot Disk
I updated my Ventoy to 1.0.96
Also needed was a selection of GRUB2 rather than "normal" boot to properly
boot.
Now I can select Ventoy boot of ISOs which I previously froze in attempting
to boot.
I also need to thank developers for the updating of GRUB for Xubuntu 23.10
and Noble Numbat find my BIOS boot listing and selection of EndeavorOS,
PCLinuxOS, Xubuntu 22.04 (VirtualBox host), OpenSuSE Tumbleweed, Fedora 39,
Sparky Linux, Debian 12 Bookworm, LMDE 6 (Faye), Salix, Linux Mint 21.3
Virginia, Bodhi 7, and Q4OS properly.
I still need an EFI partition as well as a BIOS boot partition on my GPT
partitioned/BIOS boot AMD Athlon machine to properly install, but that is a
minor issue..
Thanks again for your help!
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> Re: USB boot
> It depends on whether you BIOS boot from boot sector or UEFI boot. The
> latest Ventoy and other USB preparation software ASSUMES that your system
> has EFI and does not properly boot from USB stick on BIOS only systems. I
> have an older desktop which still has a BIOS/boot sector boot and have run
> into that problem.
> I have a solution, but it isn't free. For about $40US, last I checked, you
> ca n purchase an external USB DVD writer which you can write a boot DVD and
> boot.
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> > 1. USB boot disc? (James Freer)
> > 2. Re: USB boot disc? (J. Paul Bissonnette)
> > 3. Re: USB boot disc? (Kaj Haulrich)
> > 4. Re: USB boot disc? (James Freer)
> > 5. Re: USB boot disc? (Ralf Mardorf)
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> > Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 21:29:24 +0000
> > From: James Freer <jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com>
> > To: xubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: [xubuntu-users] USB boot disc?
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> > I have just found that the CD-ROM of mine seems to have died just when
> > i wanted to install the last version of xubuntu. So haven't been able
> > to burn a CD.
> >
> > Installed USB-CREATOR and followed the instructions [all seemed to
> > copy over ok] but the flashdrive does not seem to boot up. I have been
> > into setup so it boots first to flashdrive and then HDD. Just boots up
> > on HDD... the old version on xubuntu.
> >
> > I remember trying this a few years ago and had the same problem so
> > just continued with burning an ISO to CDROM [DVD]. I would be very
> > grateful for some guidance. What else can i try? Can one put the iso
> > on a hard drive?
> >
> > james
> >
> >
> >
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2023 18:41:56 -0400
> > From: "J. Paul Bissonnette" <jpaulb at eastlink.ca>
> > To: xubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] USB boot disc?
> > Message-ID: <968f739a-187c-47f5-8c3c-fabbd48c2d6b at eastlink.ca>
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> >
> > On 2023-12-09 17:29, James Freer wrote:
> > > I have just found that the CD-ROM of mine seems to have died just when
> > > i wanted to install the last version of xubuntu. So haven't been able
> > > to burn a CD.
> > >
> > > Installed USB-CREATOR and followed the instructions [all seemed to
> > > copy over ok] but the flashdrive does not seem to boot up. I have been
> > > into setup so it boots first to flashdrive and then HDD. Just boots up
> > > on HDD... the old version on xubuntu.
> > >
> > > I remember trying this a few years ago and had the same problem so
> > > just continued with burning an ISO to CDROM [DVD]. I would be very
> > > grateful for some guidance. What else can i try? Can one put the iso
> > > on a hard drive?
> > >
> > > james
> > >
> > Does your BIOS recognize the flashdrive?
> >
> > I found that USB-CREATOR was a problem so I switched to balanaEtcher.
> > https://etcher.balena.io.
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> > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 00:20:47 +0100
> > From: Kaj Haulrich <kaj at haulrich.net>
> > To: xubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] USB boot disc?
> > Message-ID: <8821b444-3b58-4886-9c65-9b59af5af7e5 at haulrich.net>
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> > On 09.12.2023 22.29, James Freer wrote:
> > > I have just found that the CD-ROM of mine seems to have died just when
> > > i wanted to install the last version of xubuntu. So haven't been able
> > > to burn a CD.
> > >
> > > Installed USB-CREATOR and followed the instructions [all seemed to
> > > copy over ok] but the flashdrive does not seem to boot up. I have been
> > > into setup so it boots first to flashdrive and then HDD. Just boots up
> > > on HDD... the old version on xubuntu.
> > >
> > > I remember trying this a few years ago and had the same problem so
> > > just continued with burning an ISO to CDROM [DVD]. I would be very
> > > grateful for some guidance. What else can i try? Can one put the iso
> > > on a hard drive?
> > >
> > > james
> > >
> >
> > If you have an USB stick, then why not just use the Ventoy method:
> > https://www.ventoy.net/en/index.html
> > It's by far the easyest way to install any distro nowadays. No 'burning'
> > needed, just download the ISO, copy it to the Ventoy stick and boot the
> > whole rigmarole from it. Piece of cake.
> > Regards,
> > Kaj.
> > --
> > Sent from my 100% Microsoft-free workstation.
> > Running Linux Kubuntu 24.04 LTS
> >
> >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 06:45:25 +0000
> > From: James Freer <jessejazza3.uk at gmail.com>
> > To: Xubuntu Support and User Discussions
> > <xubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] USB boot disc?
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> > On Sat, 9 Dec 2023 at 22:42, J. Paul Bissonnette <jpaulb at eastlink.ca>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On 2023-12-09 17:29, James Freer wrote:
> > >
> > > I have just found that the CD-ROM of mine seems to have died just when
> > > i wanted to install the last version of xubuntu. So haven't been able
> > > to burn a CD.
> > >
> > > Installed USB-CREATOR and followed the instructions [all seemed to
> > > copy over ok] but the flashdrive does not seem to boot up. I have been
> > > into setup so it boots first to flashdrive and then HDD. Just boots up
> > > on HDD... the old version on xubuntu.
> > >
> > > I remember trying this a few years ago and had the same problem so
> > > just continued with burning an ISO to CDROM [DVD]. I would be very
> > > grateful for some guidance. What else can i try? Can one put the iso
> > > on a hard drive?
> > >
> > > james
> > >
> > > Does your BIOS recognize the flashdrive?
> >
> > How do i check that? I've forgotten a lot of the commands having been
> > ill for a year. Much appreciate the reply.
> >
> > james
> >
> >
> >
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> > Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 10:50:15 +0100
> > From: Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com>
> > To: xubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> > Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] USB boot disc?
> > Message-ID: <44615d9441c32364aa84ac119d2d9ba5efeeee94.camel at zoho.com>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> >
> > On Sun, 2023-12-10 at 06:45 +0000, James Freer wrote:
> > > > Does your BIOS recognize the flashdrive?
> > >
> > > How do i check that? I've forgotten a lot of the commands having been
> > > ill for a year. Much appreciate the reply.
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > first of all I want to second Kaj Haulrich reply. Ventoy is terrific.
> > You only need to copy an ISO or several ISO to an Ventoy USB stick,
> > that's all. If you want to, you can even make a live Xubuntu persistent,
> > that's what I've done. However, even Ventoy has got it's pitfalls. On my
> > old Intel machine I can use ext4 for the Ventoy USB stick, on my new
> > Intel machine, I have to stay with the default fat. I know from a power
> > user, author for Linux magazines, that it does not work at all on some
> > computers, but even he always recommends Ventoy as the first choice. In
> > other words, usually Ventoy works without issues and nothing else is
> > more comfortable than Ventoy.
> >
> > I suspect that your BIOS/UEFI whatsoever thingy does recognize the USB
> > stick, but you need to enable booting from an USB device and/or change
> > the boot device order.
> >
> > After turning on the computer push the F2-key or the Delete-Key again
> > and again. One of those keys works for almost all computers. Popular
> > exceptions seem to be the F1-key or the Fn+F2-key, but there are others,
> > as well.
> >
> > What computer or motherboard do you use?
> >
> > If you should have a working Linux install on you machine, then run
> >
> > sudo dmidecode -t0 -t2
> >
> > and paste the output. On *buntu the name of the package containing this
> > command is "dmidecode", on Arch Linux it's the same package name, so
> > other distros probably name it "dmidecode", too.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ralf
> >
> >
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> On Sun, 2023-12-10 at 10:21 -0500, Carl Snyder wrote:
> > The latest Ventoy and other USB preparation software ASSUMES that your
> > system has EFI and does not properly boot from USB stick on BIOS only
> > systems.
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm not sure if this applies to Ventoy. At least it boots fine on my old
> Intel UEFI machine with legacy (BIOS) mode enabled.
>
> I have problems with Ventoy using ext4 when I try to boot from my new
> Intel machine, where the CPU integrated GPU does not allow to enable
> legacy (BIOS) mode. If I stick with exfat, there are no problems either.
>
> Of course, both machines are GPT-capable.
>
> Ventoy's bootloader is GRUB 2 and the partition table is MBR, not GPT,
> so from that point of view I don't see an obvious problem.
>
> The last version I used, but not on a native BIOS machine:
>
> • rocketmouse at archlinux ~
> $ sudo ventoy -u /dev/sdf
>
> **********************************************
> Ventoy: 1.0.96 x86_64
> longpanda admin at ventoy.net
> https://www.ventoy.net
> **********************************************
>
> Upgrade operation is safe, all the data in the 1st partition (iso files
> and other) will be unchanged!
>
> Update Ventoy 1.0.94 ===> 1.0.96 Continue? (y/n) n
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
>
>
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> Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2023 17:48:37 +0100
> From: Ralf Mardorf <silver.bullet at zoho.com>
> To: xubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com
> Subject: Re: [xubuntu-users] USB boot disc? - Was: xubuntu-users
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> PS:
>
> FWIW
>
> • rocketmouse at archlinux ~
> $ /bin/ls -hAl /mnt/ventoy/
> total 16G
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.5G Jan 13 2023 MX-21.3_fluxbox_x64.iso
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 189M May 9 2023 alpine-standard-3.18.0-x86_64.iso
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 810M Apr 1 2023 archlinux-2023.04.01-x86_64.iso
> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 128K Jan 6 2021 ventoy
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 1.6G Jul 31 2020 xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 8.3G Mar 14 2023 xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-pers1.dat
> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 3.1G Apr 17 2023 xubuntu-23.04-desktop-amd64.iso
>
> on a modern and fast USB stick the persistent xubuntu-20.04.1 is nearly
> as usable as an install on a HDD or SSD. USB sticks are not that
> reliable as HDD, SSD or even SD, but they are more portable. The only
> real pitfall of a fast persistent live ISO install compared to a "real"
> install is the boot level. If the ISO's kernel does cause issues, or if
> there are issues with GPU support and similar things, it's seemingly
> impossible to run an upgraded kernel or something similar. You can
> install and upgrade all kinds of packages, but some boot time defaults,
> such as the kernel remain always to the defaults of the ISO.
>
> While the persistent Xubuntu 20.04 on the Ventoy stick works without
> issues on my old machine and a "real" install of Xubuntu 20.04 on an SSD
> on my new machines, there are a few minor issues related to the graphics
> that I cannot fix, if I want to use the persistent Xubuntu 20.04 from
> the Ventoy stick on my new machine.
>
> However, as a non-persistent replacement for a CD or DVD, just to
> install e.g. Xubuntu, those issues don't matter at all.
>
>
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