[xubuntu-users] Hi, Newbie Here
cjk at teamcharliesangels.com
Fri Oct 30 21:50:48 UTC 2009
On Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:22:52 -0400
John Culleton <john at wexfordpress.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday 28 October 2009 12:15:01 Vincent wrote:
> > On Wed, Oct 28, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Charlie Kravetz <
> > cjk at teamcharliesangels.com> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:38:08 -0400
> > >
> > > Robin <dixiedancer at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Hi!
> > > >
> > > > I'm a noob. Relatively, anyway. Started with Ubuntu in
> March of this
> > > > year. Tried Crunchbang and it's awesome, but not
> > > > kid-friendly. Played with LXDE for a bit, but it's really buggy
> and I'm
> > > > getting tired of the hassle. It's pretty and kid-friendly, but it
> > > > frustrates me no end with all the little annoying bugs, so I
> thought I
> > > > would check out Xfce, and since Ubuntu is where I started,
> > > > might be the easiest way to do that. I'll install it as soon as
> > > > Karmic comes out. But I have some pointed noob questions
> which I'm sure
> > > > you have heard before. The closest things to my questions
> in the
> > > > archives are pretty old now, so maybe alot has changed.
> > > >
> > > > First question: IMPLEMENTATION seems to be an issue I've
> read alot
> > > > about. Over and over again in forums and blogs I have read
> stuff like
> > >
> > > this:
> > > > "KDE is great, but Kubuntu sucks," and "Xfce is great, but
> > > > sucks (is 'bloated,' etc)."
> > > >
> > > > With KDE I can kinda sorta understand it. On PCLinuxOS,
> KDE was
> > > > magnificent, but reeeeeeally slow on my poor old 'puter.
> But Kubuntu
> > > > was horrible! It had better hardware detection, but it was
> > > > slow and buggy (even buggier than LXDE has been). I
> haven't tried
> > > > Xubuntu yet (waiting for Karmic), but where do all the
> complaints about
> > > > "bloat" come from? It's Ubuntu after all, so it's bound to be
> > > > in that Ubuntu tries to be all things to all users. But no one
> > > > complains that Ubuntu is bloated! Is it just that the people
> who are
> > > > complaining expected something OTHER than Ubuntu with
> Xfce? Or is the
> > > > *implementation* of Xfce in Xubuntu comparable to KDE's
> > > > in Kubuntu?
> > >
> > > I have not used Kubuntu, so I can not make a fair comparison
> with it.
> > > If you install Ubuntu, then install Xubuntu, it will be bloated
> > > slow. If, on the other hand, you install Xubuntu and use the
> > > applications that install with it, instead of Open Office and
> > > applications replaced in Xubuntu, it is not bloated. Those who
> make the
> > > bloated claims generally have decided they want
> > > applications instead of GnomeOffice, they want the
> > > applications in Kubuntu instead of the one in Xubuntu, etc.
> This will
> > > cause bloat and slowdowns.
> I keep Open Office around for two reasons. Sometimes I need to
> convert an index etc. to rtf. And sometimes I need to convert a
> doc file to plain text. Other than that it only serves as a source for
> a pretty complete CMYK palette which I can choose in Scribus.
> 98% of the time OO sits idle. So it doesn't slow me down.
> OO apps run on Slack, on various flavors of Debian, on Windoze
> etc. And the pool of developers is probably bigger than the pool of
> developers for Gnome Office. The choice of OO therefore makes
> some sense.
> About the top bars (Gnome style) mixed with a bottom bar (KDE
> style.) If I wanted top bars I would be using Gnome. I would
> prefer that XFCE on xubuntu looked and worked just like XFCE on
> Slackware, XFCE on Vector Linux and so on.
Having those choices is the great thing about gnu/linux! At least you
get to decide what you want, and you can have it your way.
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