[TEAM] Mailinglist setup

Tue May 20 04:47:06 UTC 2014

+1. As a user I would like to say that it would be nice to be able to find answers to  specific topics but there is so much stuff that needs to be covered on how some software works it's easier to type the problem into a search engine and hope for the right answer that is how I have found solutions to the few problems I've had .   

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> On May 19, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Pasi Lallinaho <pasi at shimmerproject.org> wrote:
> 
> For what it's worth, I don't think there is an easy/ideal way to set up moderation in a way that only lets certain members post with a certain tag. The bottom line is that if everybody can post, they can post everything.
> 
> However, it might be possible to filter everything with a certain keyword (and I don't even know how using those technically work), but then again we can at most send *all* of those posts to the moderation queue, which means some moderation overhead and potential dragging of those threads. Ultimately this doesn't stop anybody to post a reply to such a thread without the keyword.
> 
> Cheers,
> Pasi
> 
>> On 19/05/14 19:30, Thomas Molloy wrote:
>> -1
>> Agreed on the mailing list being not busy, as long as a thread can be locked to team members only that would be handy.
>> 
>> - Lderan
>> 
>> > Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 14:40:48 +0300
>> > From: pasi at shimmerproject.org
>> > To: xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
>> > Subject: Re: [TEAM] Mailinglist setup
>> > 
>> > On 2014-05-16 19:18, Elizabeth K. Joseph wrote:
>> > > On Fri, May 16, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Simon Steinbeiß <simon at xfce.org> wrote:
>> > >> Hi Xubuntu team members,
>> > >>
>> > >> we started voting on Pasi's mailinglist-proposal (previously circulated on this list [1]) in today's community meeting [2]. So far, we haven't had enough votes for the motion to be carried or rejected, hence I'm asking you to vote here on the mailinglist. (As the topic isn't very controversial, I hope everyone is ok with public voting. If not, feel free to email me.)
>> > >>
>> > >> Just reply with +1, 0 or -1 to this thread - you can obviously also explain why you voted one or the other way.
>> > >> So far, we have 6 votes for the proposal and 0 against (and 0 abstained).
>> > > -1
>> > >
>> > > I don't see this devel list as actually *that* busy or that we get out
>> > > of hand with off-topic/flamey topics that often. Plus, it's sad when I
>> > > get a message from a list telling me my messages has been moderated
>> > > and I don't like discouraging folks from participating.
>> > >
>> > > Also not thrilled with the idea of being a judge of what's "important"
>> > > enough to let through, I tend to think it's nice that folks can use
>> > > this list to give feedback on default apps or correspond with us here
>> > > about bugs they find if they're having trouble using the tracker or
>> > > launchpad. It helps us get a pulse from our users about what they find
>> > > valuable enough to bring to the attention of developers, otherwise
>> > > they just whinge on social media and in blogs and we don't have a
>> > > great mechanism for collecting that data spread all over the place.
>> > 
>> > I understand and empathize these comments to a certain degree.
>> > 
>> > I do agree that the list itself isn't very high traffic, however, the 
>> > amount of offtopic messages in percent is, as I see it, too high. This 
>> > only doesn't take my (and others') time from contributing, it also 
>> > distracts me from ontopic messages.
>> > 
>> > The possibility that people get discouraged from participating is the 
>> > single biggest negative side of the moderating I'm suggesting. While the 
>> > moderating will bring some exclusivity in any case, we can help make the 
>> > first impression better by improving the "your mail is pending" email. 
>> > Ultimately, all ontopic messages should get through with no problems, 
>> > and with a good field record, people should get their moderation flag 
>> > dropped.
>> > 
>> > I guess I see the moderating in a slightly different way than you do. I 
>> > don't really conceive it as deciding what is "important", just what is 
>> > ontopic. Of course the decision is not always easy, but in that case, 
>> > you should probably approve the mail. Only obviously offtopic messages 
>> > should be declined.
>> > 
>> > All that being said, and having made the proposal, I'm open for other 
>> > options as well, as long as they enable us to cut down the percentage of 
>> > the offtopic messages.
>> > 
>> > Finally, the moderation I'm proposing does not have to be permanent. The 
>> > #xfce-dev IRC channel was moderated for some time because of the amount 
>> > of noise. They have since dropped the moderation, but the situation is 
>> > clearly better now. If a temporary moderation period helps us get the 
>> > results we want, it would obviously be the best solution.
>> > 
>> > Cheers,
>> > Pasi
>> > 
>> > -- 
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>> > Leader of Shimmer Project and Xubuntu » http://shimmerproject.org/
>> > Graphic artist, webdesigner, Ubuntu member » http://xubuntu.org/
>> > 
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