Default apps discussion - this was Re: Trusty QA quick recap and look forwardHi,

Joan Advincula mj.advincula at
Tue Mar 25 00:55:47 UTC 2014

I agree with Joel: don't move the default position of the panel anywhere

Before I came to *buntu, I was in XP and, I must admit, the positioning of
the panel did feel awkward at first. It wasn't very difficult to move it to
thr bottom but it just didn't feel right for *buntu. It looked wrong, even.
So I put it back.

Best if we keep it there and tell them they can move it wherever they like.

Joan Advincula


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On Mar 24, 2014 1:19 AM, "Joel Carlson" <snugar109 at> wrote:

> I wouldn't move the panel at all. That is one part of Xubuntu that makes
> it unique. Instead I would just add some text in the installer to tell them
> it can be customized and moved to their liking. I usually show ms people
> the ease of which it can be moved and leave it at that.
> Just like the libreoffice note on the 13.10 installer seems sufficient to
> tell everyone that other products can be installed.
> 14.04 beta seems pretty solid and a lot of the minor things have been
> cleaned up and fixed making it the most solid release yet.
> Thanks
>  On Mar 22, 2014 10:39 AM, "Paul" <lentonp at> wrote:
>>  To really capture the Microsoft crowd, the panel should probably be
>> positioned at the bottom by default. I've introduced many MS users (XP end
>> of life worriers, or computers too old to support the millions of updates)
>> to *buntu, and the biggest objection I hear about the XFCE desktop is that
>> the "start button" isn't where it's expected.
>> Regarding the issue of LibreOffice vs AbiWord, AbiWord runs very well
>> from memory but I agree that LibreOffice is a much better full package.
>> Would it be possible to add a button under the Office application group
>> that has two functions, depending on whether you're on live or disk install?
>> 1. On live the button should link to some screenshots/a small slideshow
>> presentation of LibreOffice to show people what they can get once it's
>> installed.
>> 2. Once xubuntu is installed to disk, that button would remove AbiWord
>> and install LibreOffice. There could also be an option under it to remove
>> the prompt, for the users that were happy with AbiWord.
>> That way you can see/do everything on the live boot, but the final
>> install is much more powerful and MS friendly.
>> On 21/03/14 20:57, PK wrote:
>>  Well, a very important step in the good direction has been the
>> introduction of the Whisker menu and the single desktop bar in 14.04.
>> But the default office applications are still underpowered and feel
>> "cheap". It's so cool to have LibreOffice by default..... It's a selling
>> point of great value: "look, even from the live session you can not only
>> use Firefox, but also a full-fledged Office suite, comparable to Microsoft
>> Office."
>>  In my opinion, that would be the last step needed to position Xubuntu as
>> *the* cool, professional alternative to the "song and dance" of other
>> desktop environments. More immediately attractive to business users as
>> well. But not only to business users: many consumers like elegant
>> simplicity, too. Provided it's packing all the valuable right stuff by
>> default. Deep blue, full power.
>>  Regards, Pjotr.
>> 2014-03-21 21:23 GMT+01:00 Eero Tamminen <oak at>:
>>> Hi,
>>> On torstai 20 maaliskuu 2014, Lutz Andersohn wrote:
>>> > <html>
>>> >   <head>
>>> >     <meta content="text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1"
>>> >       http-equiv="Content-Type">
>>> >   </head>
>>> >   <body bgcolor="#FFFFFF" text="#000000">
>>> >     <div class="moz-cite-prefix">I am taking Elfy's advise replying to
>>> >       Pjotr:<br>
>>> >       <br>
>>> Your mail client/settings are broken, it's sending HTML.
>>> >       I think I agree with the LibreOffice suggestion (and the "first
>>> >       impression"-sentiment) but for a different reason: I think
>>> Abiword
>>> >       and Gnumeric are just fine for everyday needs
>>> They fit well on install disk, start faster, use less memory, have
>>> better performance at run-time too and IMHO also look better.
>>> But if you need to work with other people using MS office, they aren't
>>> really compatible enough.  One problem is just file compatibility,
>>> another one looks of the documents: different font metrics and sizes,
>>> differences in styles etc.  More complicated documents don't look
>>> quite right and if you edit them, their styles get messed up.
>>> >       but I can see a lot
>>> >       of users who would want to make slides "out of the box", so they
>>> >       need Impress. It would be nice if those users had that capability
>>> >       w/o having to install Libre. <br>
>>> That's a good point.
>>> >       Alternatively, a button would be nice that is labelled "To
>>> install
>>> >       Office Software click here" which then goes out and installs
>>> >       Libre. I think many of the XP migrants we expect might be
>>> >       technically capable to install Libre from the Software Center -
>>> if
>>> >       they only new it existed! Since they usually don't know its
>>> there,
>>> >       frustration might arise (When I started using Ubuntu/Xubuntu,
>>> >       installing an app was easy once I found out there was one! the
>>> >       hard part was finding it and deciding between the different
>>> >       options)<br>
>>> IMHO this would be good solution.  Wording of such button/icon
>>> may need some fine tuning though, e.g. "Install MS-office compatible
>>> office suite" or "Install full Office suite".
>>> Best would be if it would invoke some Software Center introduction
>>> which tells new users how to install extra software (besides  LO).
>>>         - Eero
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