[TEAM] Drop XChat for 14.10

[Elfy]

On 31/07/14 08:14, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> On 2014-07-31 06:33, Micah Gersten wrote:
>> On 07/29/2014 07:10 AM, Simon Steinbeiß wrote:
>>> Hey Xubuntu team members,
>>>
>>> we started voting on a proposal for the default IRC client in today's
>>> meeting[0].
>>>
>>> In short, what we're voting on is whether to drop XChat for Xubuntu
>>> 14.10.
>>>
>>> == Rationale ==
>>>
>>> Those who need IRC can still use pidgin and this is a consistent move
>>> in terms of streamlining our default applications (remember the
>>> dropping of GThumb in 14.04).
>>> This decision would be revisited for 15.04, so if we'd see the need, we
>>> could re-add XChat (or hexchat).
>>>
>>> == Voting ==
>>>
>>> Just reply with +1, 0 or -1 to this thread – you can obviously also
>>> explain why you voted one or the other way. So far, we have 4 votes
>>> from team members for the proposal to drop XChat and 0 against (and 0
>>> abstained).
>>>
>>> Please note that ONLY XUBUNTU TEAM MEMBERS CAN VOTE. Other votes are
>>> ignored, so please don't send a vote and waste bandwidth unless you are
>>> an active member of the Xubuntu team [1].
>>>
>>> == End of vote ==
>>>
>>> This vote will expire in one week (June 6th, 10:00 UTC), so please send
>>> in your votes in a timely manner.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>> Simon
>>> Xubuntu Project Lead
>>>
>>> [0]
>>> http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/xubuntu-devel/2014/xubuntu-devel.2014-07-29-10.30.log.txt 
>>>
>>> [1] https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-team/+members#active
>>>
>> -1  I used to use Pidgin's IRC support when I used the other chat
>> protocols supported in Pidgin.  When XChat was to be added, IIRC, I
>> originally pushed that we could just use Pidgin for IRC. However, I
>> eventually switched to XChat as Pidgin's support for 20+ channels per
>> server was lacking.  I've been using XChat for a while now and it seems
>> a very simple to use tool to access freenode amongst other servers.  I
>> agree with others that have stated in this thread that since IRC is such
>> an integral part of the Ubuntu community, we'd be best served to keep an
>> easy to use client like XChat.  If there is a simpler client that can be
>> integrated, I'd be open to that.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Micah
>>
>
> Is this argument based on solely on your own needs and wants or the 
> target audience of Xubuntu?
>
> I'd argue that most of our target audience users do not wish to join 
> 20+ channels (per server) at a time. On the other hand, those who do 
> know how to install their favorite IRC client from the repositories. 
> They might even prefer other options, like running screen and irssi on 
> a server. In both of these cases the default pick for an IRC client is 
> mostly irrelevant for them.
>
> On another note for this discussion, some of the arguments against 
> have been in the spirit of "if we drop Xchat, it's too hard for new 
> people to join the IRC for a support question". How is running Xchat 
> and finding your way to #xubuntu easier than navigating to 
> http://xubuntu.org/irc/ (which is available in our installation 
> slideshow) and clicking connect?
>
> Cheers,
> Pasi
>
On the other hand the argument to remove xchat as opposed to swapping 
hexchat for xchat appears to be based solely on

I guess people don't use xchat, and I don't use a gui irc client at all



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