How to fix Xubuntu 12.04.4?

Richard Elkins richard.elkins at
Sat Feb 15 01:11:31 UTC 2014

Very interesting food fight (not trying to criticize anyone specifically). 

The issue, IMO, is that some of the 'buntus seem to have a have fuzzy
marketing concepts and no real plans.  We might possibly agree that
Edubuntu, Mythbuntu, and Ubuntu Studio seem to have well-defined
audiences.  Ubuntu Gnome and Kubuntu seem to be there for die-hard Gnome
and KDE fans.  "Ubuntu" (Unity) seeks to conquer all of the other 'buntu
flavors (one ring to bind them all?); time will tell whether this is a
good idea or not.  What about Xubuntu and Lubuntu?  Why are there two
lightweight distributions?  Fan base (one for XFCE and the other for
LXDE)?  Probably.

I am a programmer.  Personally, I like Gnome, XFCE, and LXDE so it was a
close call for me - Ubuntu Gnome versus Lubuntu versus Xubuntu.  The
shared Ubuntu infrastructure (E.g. Ubiquity installer) has been, for the
last 5 years, the best distro infrastructure at detecting a variety of
hardware (especially graphics cards) which is very important to me. 

Small and simple is beautiful.  So, five years ago, I centered on one
flavor of Ubuntu: Xubuntu.  In the subsequent 10 installations for
friends and family (no other programmers but me), this is what I used in
their behalf.  Everyone liked the simplicity and clarity of the XFCE
desktop.  I was probably a bad boy and influenced them but there you
are.  Personally, I've used Gnome heavily in the past and could go back
to it but I prefer to stay in sync with people that I consult for.

Those of you who think that XFCE is for a certain class of machines, I
am in disagreement.  For me, it is a matter of personal aesthetics, what
you are used to, and who is influencing you.  Don't tell me that certain
programs or libraries are only available on certain desktops because
that is not true; anyone can install components of any Ubuntu distro
they want regardless of desktop type given sufficient storage.

Suggestion: Instead of arguing about the purpose of each Ubuntu distro,
why not start a project to define these different distros in terms of
marketing purpose?  You may wind up with a surprising new perspective at
the end of this process.


On 02/14/2014 05:03 PM, Michael Fischer wrote:
> Sorry for using offensive phrases here. I will go more defensive then
> like "utter nonsense", ok?
> On 14.02.2014 23:41, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
>> On 15/02/14 00:30, Michael Fischer wrote:
>>> Right. And in two years or so Xubuntu 14.04 LTS will be outdated
>>> again, we can use the Ubuntu 14.04.x -> xubuntu-desktop workaround
>>> again until Xubuntu 16.04 LTS is going to arrive (unless the release
>>> policies will not change).
>> By which means will be outdated again? As I said in the users mailing
>> list, 14.04 will receive hardware enablement stacks.
>>> Status as of today:
>>> By using any Ubuntu 12.04.x LTS we have a wider hardware support than
>>> with using Xubuntu 12.04 or Xubuntu 12.04.4.
>> Probably wider, but Ubuntu 12.04.x LTS can't support processors with no
>> PAE support. I would imagine many of the computers currently running
>> Windows XP fall in this category.
>>> And this is going to help us in a more successful way to replace XP
>>> installations. To replace XPs go with Xubuntu not Ubuntu (Unity) is
>>> your message. Did it take you a long time to figure out this strategy?
>> We don't need an offensive attitude on this mailing list.
>> Pasi
>>> FMF
>>> On 14.02.2014 22:45, PK wrote:
>>>> Utter nonsense (völliger Quatsch). Xubuntu 14.04 LTS will aim
>>>> squarely at new hardware.
>>>> Xubuntu 12.04.4 LTS on the other hand, would miss a historic
>>>> opportunity by making a "kernel jump": the demise of Windows XP is a
>>>> one-time opportunity which shouldn't be missed.
>>>> Regards, Pjotr.

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