[Test Report 1] Minimum System Requirement for Xubuntu 12.04 LTS
peter
a.gillen at mo-po.de
Mon Jul 29 11:05:11 UTC 2013
hallo,
I have got the same problem with a ibm t40 (1024 mb ram).
yours peter
Am 29.07.2013 10:48, schrieb Joan Advincula:
> By the way, I think we also need to clarify the CPU type and whatnot.
> (There are still lots of things about CPU's that I don't understand.)
>
> I tried installing 13.04 on an old IBM ThinkPad and it wouldn't
> install because the CPU is missing something, apparently. (It runs on
> and Intel Pentium M 1600 MHz.)
>
> Something about pae. I'm still Googling that part though so this might
> be irrelevant.
>
> - Joan
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:42 PM, PK <pliniusminor at gmail.com
> <mailto:pliniusminor at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> I agree with Ali Linx, that 512 MB RAM should be considered as a
> workable minimum for Xubuntu. If it gets lower than that, Lubuntu
> or even mini's like AntiX or Puppy Linux are much more suitable.
>
> In my opinion, the minimal system requirements should be aimed at
> a practical and workable system, not at a theoretical minimum that
> will, at best, cause an unbearably slow and sluggish system.
> Underpromise and overdeliver, that's what makes people happy....
> Not the other way round. :-)
>
> I have no figures to back my statement, but I do have the
> experience of seven years of fulltime Linux use on many computers.
>
> Regards, Pjotr.
>
>
> 2013/7/23 Jeff Hanson <jephhanson at gmail.com
> <mailto:jephhanson at gmail.com>>
>
> Could you have actually opened the System Monitor to see how
> much ram and how much swap was being used at the time, or did
> I miss something? I just wouldn't like to assume that it is
> going over etc based on overall performance, when it's easy to
> see how much is being used in real time and from what apps.
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 12:15 AM, Ali Linx (amjjawad)
> <amjjawad at gmail.com <mailto:amjjawad at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 17, 2013 at 8:59 AM, Micah Gersten
> <micahg at ubuntu.com <mailto:micahg at ubuntu.com>> wrote:
>
> On 07/16/2013 11:33 PM, Ali Linx (amjjawad) wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> *_Information:_*
>> - Xubuntu 12.04.1.ISO
>> - LiveUSB Created by UNetbootin
>> - Installation on Real Hardware -
>> http://phillw.net/hardware/BnA9pw11
>> - RAM Used: 242MB - http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg
>> - Note that: LiveUSB is faster than LiveCD
>>
>>
>> *_Test Case:_*
>>
>> 1. Machine has two HDD1 and HDD2
>> 2. HDD1 is Samsung 20GB IDE (Lubuntu 13.10 Saucy is
>> installed on the whole HDD).
>> 3. HHD2 is Segate 80GB IDE
>> 4. Booting the machine from the LiveUSB
>> 5. Choosing "Try Xubuntu without installation"
>> 6. Booted successfully to the Live Desktop
>> 7. http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg
>> 8. The Live Desktop was slow and I had to wait few
>> seconds until Right Click > Menu shows up.
>> 9. Ran GParted to turn SWAP OFF.
>> 10. Once SWAP is OFF, the machine became VERY SLOW.
>> If I press CAPS Lock, the LED on the Keyboards
>> needs few mins to be ON.
>> 11. Obviously, because Physical RAM was already being
>> used (FULLY) - http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg
>> - then once SWAP is OFF, definitely the whole
>> machine will stop responding and this is very
>> easy to re-produce (I'm expert to make old
>> machine not usable and not responding).
>> 12. Clicked on "Install Xubuntu" from the Desktop
>> 13. I waited for 30 mins and the machine is totally
>> not responding and the mouse pointer is stuck on
>> the circle icon (when the system is processing
>> something, the pointer turns to be a circle - I'm
>> sure you know what I mean).
>> 14. I had to reboot the machine.
>> 15. Repeated the same above steps - same result
>> 16. Even though the Live Desktop did not crash after
>> 30mins of waiting, the whole system/machine is
>> not usable and not responding so whether it
>> crashes or not, same - you can not do anything
>> and you must reboot.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *_Summary:_*
>> Having all the above said, long story short, there is
>> *_NO WAY_* to 'Try' Xubuntu on 256MB of RAM nor
>> 'Installing' it with 256MB of RAM. Again, see this:
>> http://i44.tinypic.com/2hf5tgj.jpg
>>
>>
>> *_Suggestion:_*
>> I think by far, it is very much safe to say that the
>> *_Minimum RAM_* required to Try Xubuntu and/or
>> Install it is 512MB AT LEAST.
>>
>>
>> *_Please Note:_*
>> You need to understand that having a pre-exist SWAP
>> Partition is NOT the default/standard case for all
>> users. Users may have only one HDD. User may have not
>> installer another Linux System on a different or same
>> HDD so they do have SWAP.
>>
>> Also, please note that it is NOT advisable to ask
>> from a new user to create a SWAP Partition just to
>> install Xubuntu on LESS than 512MB RAM. This is not
>> helpful at all, IMHO.
>>
>> Having that said, in order to do a real test with a
>> worse case scenario, you need to follow the steps I
>> have done to get the same results (SWAP OFF).
>>
>> /By the way ... if zRAM was enabled by default, I'm
>> sure the results would be different - just saying /:)
>>
>>
>> *_What Next?_*
>> On the same machine, I am going to increase the RAM
>> used by system by entering BIOS and:
>> http://i44.tinypic.com/a4ug5s.jpg
>>
>> I will set it to 64MB so the RAM that will be used by
>> the system will be 432MB RAM. I know what you are
>> thinking. There is 16MB any Linux OS I have tried on
>> that machine can not read/detect that is why the
>> usable RAM by the system is 432MB not 448MB. Yes, I
>> will turn SWAP OFF as well.
>>
>> Ok, I have tried that and I did not work.
>>
>> I had to set the RAM to 464MB so that I can install
>> Xubuntu 12.04 from the LiveUSB while I'm on the Live
>> Desktop (Try Xubuntu without installation > Live
>> Desktop).
>>
>> and ...
>>
>> Installation is successful - Time:13mins
>>
>>
>> *_After Installation Xubuntu 12.04_*
>>
>> This is what I did after the installation:
>>
>> 1. sudo nano /etc/fstab
>> 2. Removed SWAP entry
>> 3. Saved
>> 4. Rebooted
>> 5. sudo apt-get install zram-config
>> 6. http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg
>>
>> I'm currently upgrading my system:
>>
>> sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
>>
>> Now, Xubuntu 12.04 installation has NO Physical SWAP
>> Partition.
>> The SWAP that you see here:
>> http://i40.tinypic.com/n2cqq9.jpg
>> This is from zram-config
>>
>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRam
>> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/zram-config
>>
>>
>> *End of Test Report 1*
>>
>> Thank you for reading!
>>
>> --
>>
>> "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>
>> *Best Regards,*
>> *amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/>*
>> *Start Ubuntu
>> <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu>*
>> *My Own Business <http://alilinx.blogspot.com/>*
>>
> I don't think that anyone says to run Xubuntu with
> 256MB RAM with no swap partition.
>
>
> I have volunteered to do this test because the Minimum
> System Requirement on the Website is not correct IMHO and
> as Lyz said, no one has done such test for a long time so
> I guess it is good to have some data regarding this.
>
> Creating a swap partition is a part of the standard
> install IIRC.
> Also, this can be a swap file and does not need to be
> a separate disk (though I don't know if the installer
> handles this properly or not).
>
>
> NO one said swap should NOT be created. You misunderstood
> the whole point.
> SWAP partition will be created 'during' the installation
> process NOT 'before' it :) hope it is clear now and I
> guess my report is very much detailed unless I missed
> something that need further explanation.
>
> Having said that, I don't have an issue saying that
> the minimum to run Xubuntu is 512MB at this point.
>
>
> Good. Because saying on the website 256MB is not correct :)
>
> Even at 512MB, swap will be needed, but I don't think
> that's a problem.
>
> Micah
>
>
> For me to disable swap and edit fstab is an extreme move
> to test how far I could go with my installation. That was
> an added step, ignore it please if this will cause any
> confusion.
>
> Summary: Because I have previous installed Linux with SWAP
> Partition, I had to disable it 'before' installing Xubuntu.
>
> Xubuntu Installer will create SWAP Partition DURING the
> installation process NOT before it ... unless of course
> ... someone will create his/her partitions 'before' the
> installation using GParted and choose 'Something Else'
> from this step: http://i40.tinypic.com/14jx9h4.jpg
>
> However, this is not the standard approach. New Users will
> not create their partitions 'before' the installation.
>
> Definitely, having a swap partition created 'before'
> installing Xubuntu will help, no doubt about it but this
> is not a general case. Only those who are experienced
> enough can do it. When you mention on the official website
> a minimum system requirement, you need to keep the very
> new users in mind :)
>
> Thank you for your feedback!
> and you are welcome :)
>
>
> --
>
> "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>
> *Best Regards,*
> *amjjawad <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/amjjawad/>*
> *Start Ubuntu
> <https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/CommunicationsTeam/WOWLubuntu/StartUbuntu>*
> *My Own Business <http://alilinx.blogspot.com/>*
>
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