About Xubuntu Artwork

[Ernesto Acosta]

El dom, 25 mar, 2012, a las 01:38 , Eero Tamminen escribió:
> Hi,
> 
> On lauantai 24 maaliskuu 2012, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> > On 03/24/2012 08:22 PM, Ernesto Acosta wrote:
> > > # About Applications
> > > 
> > > There are some applications which I think can be replaced with more
> > > light and thus do not depend on Gnome.
> > > 
> > > Gcalctool can be replaced with Galculator
> > > Evince can be replaced with ePDFView
> 
> Because Gcalctool & Evince already use Gtk3 while XFCE is still
> using Gtk2 and you don't want to have two Gtk versions until XFCE
> moves to Gtk3?
> 
> 
> > > Ristretto has greatly improved but may be replaced by Mirage.
> 
> Mirage uses Python whereas Ristretto uses XFCE libraries.
> Why do you think it to be lighter, and lighter in which way[1]?
> 
> 
> > Is there some performance comparisons for these applications?
> 
> Based on the Xubuntu strategy document:
> 	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/StrategyDocument
> 
> Performance is considered only after the other requirements
> (integration and usability) have been met.
> 
> So, unless that has changed, first the new applications:
> - stability / maturity
> - XFCE desktop/file-manager/themeing integration
> - localization coverage
> - accessibility support (if package uses Gtk that should be fine)
> 
> Need to be compared to the old applications.
> 
> 
> I found localization statistics for Ubuntu from here:
> 	http://people.canonical.com/~dpm/data/ubuntu-l10n/
> 
> But it seems to be lacking data for the proposed applications
> and for XFCE applications:
> --------------
> stats=precise-package-stats.log;
> for pkg in epdfview evince gcalctool gcalculator mirage ristretto; do
> awk -F '|' '
> BEGIN {
> 	count=0; total=0; max=0; min=99999;
> }
> /^'$pkg' / {
> 	count+=1; total+=$7; if($7>max) max=$7; if($7<min) min=$7;
> }
> END {
> 	if (count)
> 		printf("'$pkg': %d translations\n- max %d, avg %d, min %d 
> strings\n", count, max, total/count, min);
> 	else
> 		printf("'$pkg': 0 translations\n");
> }' $stats; done
> --------------
> 
> As that produces:
> --------------
> epdfview: 0 translations
> evince: 112 translations
> - max 376, avg 281, min 1 strings
> gcalctool: 107 translations
> - max 433, avg 268, min 1 strings
> gcalculator: 0 translations
> mirage: 0 translations
> ristoretto: 0 translations
> --------------
> 
> When I looked more into this, gcalculator wasn't even in Ubuntu
> repos, although it seems to be in Debian...
> 
> 
> > The fact is that it is more work to replace than keep an application, so
> > there needs to be good rationale to change an application. That being
> > said, it is not completely unlikely that an application will be replaced
> > by another application, as long as there is somebody to write
> > comparisons, test the applications, willing to report bugs and follow-up
> > on getting them fixed and eventually, taking all this into account when
> > rationalizing the application change to the team.
> 
> [1] Way too often people just blindly look at package dependencies, which 
> are already in Xubuntu and getting rid of them not helping performance,
> memory or disk usage a bit.
> 
> And when measuring memory usage, people pointlessly look at the
> non-relevant
> VmSize and RSS numbers from "top" when they should be looking at the
> private 
> dirty + swap, private clean and PSS numbers from /proc/PID/smaps and also
> X resource consumption.
> 
> gnome-system-monitor app shows most of these values.  "Memory" column
> seems to be PSS (Proportional Set Size) and Writable column private
> dirty and X resources usage is in X server memory column.
> 
> 
> > > Xubuntu also includes too many language packs, you do not understand if
> > > you end the LiveCD runs in English. Sure, I guess when you are
> > > installing, and using another language, English and Spanish are not the
> > > only ones on our planet, but I think there should be an option for you,
> > > after installing, removal of unnecessary language as our preferences
> > 
> > The idea behind this is to provide desktops in preferred languages even
> > for those, who do not have access to internet.
> 
> And for them to be able to test the live-CD and to install Xubuntu in
> the first place, it needs to be localized to the correct language.
> 
> Which means that they need to be present on the installation CD / DVD.
> 
> 
> > As far as I know, no language packs should be left installed unless you
> > selected them.
> 
> It should be.  However, note that language packs don't cover all of
> the software, just the desktop stuff.
> 
> 
> To get rid of all extra localization for all packages, one needs to
> install
> "localepurge" package.  This provides an apt hook to remove extra
> languages
> always after packaging setup has changed (= slows down package updates).
> 
> However, if one's running so low on disk space that he wants to use
> localepurge, I would first recomment setting apt options that limit
> the apt cache size:
> 	APT::Periodic::MaxAge (maybe also APT::Periodic::MinAge)
> 	APT::Periodic::MaxSize
> 
> And installing most packages with apt --no-install-recommends option.
> 
> (Both localepurge and --no-install-recommends result in unsupported
> Debian
> and Ubuntu configurations, so one should know something of packaging
> before
> using them.)
> 
> 
> 	- Eero
> 
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Well, as far as I have understood the Xfce gtk theme has already been
ported to Gtk3. I'm using Xfce gtk theme called a Zukitwo, and
Galculator looks great. Now, I think the interesting point here, is the
subject of translations, where the victor gcalctool ..

Thank you for your answer ^ ^


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