Idea for Lucid (and beyond..)
J. Anthony Limon
j at flippo.net
Mon Dec 7 01:58:48 UTC 2009
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Lionel Le Folgoc <mrpouit at ubuntu.com
> <mailto:mrpouit at ubuntu.com>> wrote:
> Hi there,
> (I stripped some parts to reduce the size of the mail ;)
> On Sat, Dec 05, 2009 at 03:41:03PM +0200, Pasi Lallinaho wrote:
> > Charlie Kravetz wrote:
> > > On Sat, 5 Dec 2009 09:05:45 +0100
> > > Steve Dodier <sidnioulz at gmail.com <mailto:sidnioulz at gmail.com>>
> > >
> > > [snip]
> > >
> > >> Both Synaptic and gnome-app-install are being replaced by the
> > >> Centre (not sure if it's the exact name). This new app brings
> a few
> > >> dependencies but it's likely that removing gnome-app-install
> and synaptic
> > >> will make enough room on the CD for it.
> > >> As long as it doesn't pull mono and gnome* I'm all for giving
> the new app a
> > >> try.
> > >>
> > >> Maybe we could ask the desktop team what they think will be
> ready for Lucid
> > >> in the software centre, and whether they think they'll be able
> to replace
> > >> synaptic in this release.
> There is enough room on the livecd anyway. I think that we *have to*
> switch to software-center for lucid, because gnome-app-install has
> already been demoted from main to universe in karmic (which means that
> Canonical folks don't want to support it anymore, and since they were
> the only ones touching it…).
> Let me chime in here: I *did* use gnome-app-install. And it was kind of
> my fault for not reporting the missing icons - I did see it, and notice
> it, but didn't really consciously do so. So I didn't report the bug. Has
> anybody reported it now?
> Anyway, I also told people to use that, because I found it to be more
> useful for finding "normal" programs, and less scary (normal names,
> icons, descriptions etc.). I do hope the Software Center will include
> support for showing all packages in a sane way, but I suppose we can
> only await that. Lionel's argument in favour of removing
> gnome-app-install is valid, though, but I'm afraid to see what the
> effects will be of Canonical not really taking Xubuntu into account.
> As for asking the devs what they think will be ready for Lucid: that's
> all documented at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Roadmap
Unless there is a graphical way to view ALL packages in the repository
the same way that Synaptics does, it does *NOT* deprecate Synaptics and
should not be considered such. Until it does it is only a deprecation of
> > >>> 2) gnome-system-monitor
> > >>>
> > >>>> [snip]
> > >>>>
> > >>> For now, I don't think the Xfce components can deliver the
> same amount
> > >>> of features and, regretfully, quality. I also like htop, but
> we can't
> > >>> consider it as the main application for system monitoring, as
> it's CLI
> > >>> and many people fear command line.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >> Gnome system monitor monitors system load, network load, ram
> and swap usage,
> > >> and HDD usage. It may be doing too much for one's needs, but
> when you want
> > >> to know if some app is using all of your bandwidth, it's cool
> to can check
> > >> in the system monitor without having to go in command line.
> > >>
> > >> While xftaskmanager may be more appropriate for your needs,
> > >> gnome-system-monitor is in my opinion better for end users.
> > >>
> We have already xfce4-cpugraph-plugin, xfce4-systemload-plugin,
> xfce4-netload-plugin and xfce4-taskmanager. The fact that gnome devs
> decided to make a single program (gnome-system-monitor) for that doesn't
> imply that we should blindly do the same.
> (Anyway, I've no strong opinion on this, I think htop is the best one.
> xfce4-taskmanager needs some work to be user-friendly, IMHO. Not a very
> strong opinion on this either, though I'd keep using GSM I think. Of
> course, it might just happen that the problems get addressed upstream
> (for either project - are they even maintained?).
As I said in the original message, it is my opinion that GSM is too
bloated and consistently has too many performance problems for the
nature of the application.
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