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>    1. Readers are commenting on ubuntu's intrepid look and feel (jmak)
>    2. Re: Readers are commenting on ubuntu's intrepid look and feel
>       (George Brooke)
>    3. Re: Readers are commenting on ubuntu's intrepid look and feel
>       (Jelle de Jong)
>    4. Fwd: Tracking of release critical bugs (Cody A.W. Somerville)
>    5. Re: Readers are commenting on ubuntu's intrepid look and feel
>       (jmak)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:57:28 -0400
> From: jmak <jozmak at gmail.com>
> Subject: Readers are commenting on ubuntu's intrepid look and feel
> To: xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
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> The look and feel of Ubuntu Intrepid invoked very strong opinions
> among digg.com
> (http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_8_10_Intrepid_Ibex_Alpha_1_Screenshots)
> readership. Here are some of them.
> ------
>
> "What a hideous theme, what really, really worries me is that they
> even remotely considered something like this let alone made it
> available.
>
> Whoever designed it should be shot."
>
> ---------
>
> "I have to agree."
>
> ----
>
> "While I hope nobody will be *shot*, I have to agree that this theme is
> poor.
> It's unappealing to look at, looks worse when apps are running in it
> (OpenOffice is hideous) and its colour scheme is particularly ugly."
>
> -----
>
> WTF ..Is this for real ??
>
> ------
>
> "The theme literally looks like ***** was smeared all over the
> monitor. Not that I could do any better, but this theme gives me a
> feeling less like "human" and more like "sewer"."
>
> -------
>
> "Ugg...I thought the color scheme was supposed to include BLACK. Not
> ugly mud-crap-brown..."
>
> -----
> "The theme is not what I was expecting... I was hoping for something a
> little less... dark brown, like the color of my *****."
>
> ------
> "Video Conferencing with Nelson Mandela on Ubuntu?"
>
> -----
>
> Up until sunday night, not a single positve comment. Amazing.
>
> jmak
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 09:38:53 +0100
> From: George Brooke <solar.george at googlemail.com>
> Subject: Re: Readers are commenting on ubuntu's intrepid look and feel
> To: xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com
> Message-ID: <20080630093853.308be985 at george-laptop>
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> On Mon, 30 Jun 2008 00:57:28 -0400
> jmak <jozmak at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The look and feel of Ubuntu Intrepid invoked very strong opinions
>> among digg.com
>> (http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_8_10_Intrepid_Ibex_Alpha_1_Screenshots)
>> readership.
>> <snip>
>> Up until sunday night, not a single positve comment. Amazing.
>>
>> jmak
>>
> The first thing that I thought was - that looks good - I guess they'd
> be slagging ubuntu off for bring a rip off if it was closer to win/osx.
>
> solar.george
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> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 10:48:58 +0200
> From: Jelle de Jong <jelledejong at powercraft.nl>
> Subject: Re: Readers are commenting on ubuntu's intrepid look and feel
> To: Xubuntu Development Discussion <xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> jmak wrote:
>> The look and feel of Ubuntu Intrepid invoked very strong opinions
>> among digg.com
>> (http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_8_10_Intrepid_Ibex_Alpha_1_Screenshots)
>> readership. Here are some of them.
>> ------
>>
>> "What a hideous theme, what really, really worries me is that they
>> even remotely considered something like this let alone made it
>> available.
>>
>> Whoever designed it should be shot."
>>
>> ---------
>>
>> "I have to agree."
>>
>> ----
>>
>> "While I hope nobody will be *shot*, I have to agree that this theme is
>> poor.
>> It's unappealing to look at, looks worse when apps are running in it
>> (OpenOffice is hideous) and its colour scheme is particularly ugly."
>>
>> -----
>>
>> WTF ..Is this for real ??
>>
>> ------
>>
>> "The theme literally looks like ***** was smeared all over the
>> monitor. Not that I could do any better, but this theme gives me a
>> feeling less like "human" and more like "sewer"."
>>
>> -------
>>
>> "Ugg...I thought the color scheme was supposed to include BLACK. Not
>> ugly mud-crap-brown..."
>>
>> -----
>> "The theme is not what I was expecting... I was hoping for something a
>> little less... dark brown, like the color of my *****."
>>
>> ------
>> "Video Conferencing with Nelson Mandela on Ubuntu?"
>>
>> -----
>>
>> Up until sunday night, not a single positve comment. Amazing.
>>
>> jmak
>>
>
> I have to agree with the comments, the theming of ubuntu and xubuntu has
> been getting worser and worser with the last releases: there are a few
> good guidelines:
> - KiSS (keep it Simple Stupid)
> - Less is More
> - If it works don't change it to much
>
> If you look at Fedora theming, things are getting cleaner and cleaner
> every release they improve what they have and don't switch every release.
>
> As i sad before in other messages, if you change the looks and feels,
> make this an option. Keep the normal behavior as default, make it easy
> to switch to a new look and feel, let users vote and comment on the best
> layout, and if the majority accepts the new looks and feels, switch the
> new and default behavior but make it easy to revert back. So backwards
> compatibility!
>
> Meaning all artwork should be packaged correctly with sub-packages, so
> changing looks and feels,can be done by installing and removing artwork
> packages.
>
> Just some of my thoughts on sustainable artwork management,
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Jelle
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:39:18 -0300
> From: "Cody A.W. Somerville" <cody-somerville at ubuntu.com>
> Subject: Fwd: Tracking of release critical bugs
> To: "Xubuntu Development Discussion" <xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
> Message-ID:
> 	<cedaa6d20806300339h59ed35ael2d4e303e564eca0a at mail.gmail.com>
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> Hello Xubuntu Developers,
>
> Please see the below forwarded message for details on how we'll be
> tracking
> release critical bugs for Intrepid.
>
> Cheers,
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Henrik Nilsen Omma <henrik at canonical.com>
> Date: Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 1:32 PM
> Subject: Tracking of release critical bugs
> To: ubuntu-devel-announce at lists.ubuntu.com
>
>
> Dear developers,
>
> Launchpad has both the concepts of target for a release and milestone
> targets, which different groups use for different purposes. At UDS
> Prague we held a session on updating the procedures used for tracking
> Release Critical bugs to ensure clarity around how these settings are
> used in the context of a release.
>
> The updated policy is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RCBugTargetting
> In brief it states:
>
> * Bugs are considered Release Critical when they are targeted for a
> release
>  _and_ have priority High or above
>
> * Release Critical bugs should all have designated assignees responsible
>  for fixing the bug
>
> * Bugs that are targeted for a release but have priorities Medium or below
>  are targets of opportunity that should be fixed if possible but will not
>  block the release
>
> * Bug targeted for a release _and_ milestoned are considered essential for
>  the success of that particular milestone
>
> * Milestones on non-targeted bugs can be used by developers to track their
>  own work
>
>
> Please read these guidelines and help us apply them consistently. This
> will ensure that Release Critical bugs show up on the appropriate
> Launchpad tracking pages and get the attention they require. Thank you.
>
>
> Henrik Nilsen Omma
> Ubuntu QA Team
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 06:43:04 -0400
> From: jmak <jozmak at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: Readers are commenting on ubuntu's intrepid look and feel
> To: "Xubuntu Development Discussion" <xubuntu-devel at lists.ubuntu.com>
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> On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 4:48 AM, Jelle de Jong
> <jelledejong at powercraft.nl> wrote:
>> jmak wrote:
>>> The look and feel of Ubuntu Intrepid invoked very strong opinions
>>> among digg.com
>>> (http://digg.com/linux_unix/Ubuntu_8_10_Intrepid_Ibex_Alpha_1_Screenshots)
>>> readership. Here are some of them.
>>> ------
>>>
>>> "What a hideous theme, what really, really worries me is that they
>>> even remotely considered something like this let alone made it
>>> available.
>>>
>>> Whoever designed it should be shot."
>>>
>>> ---------
>>>
>>> "I have to agree."
>>>
>>> ----
>>>
>>> "While I hope nobody will be *shot*, I have to agree that this theme is
>>> poor.
>>> It's unappealing to look at, looks worse when apps are running in it
>>> (OpenOffice is hideous) and its colour scheme is particularly ugly."
>>>
>>> -----
>>>
>>> WTF ..Is this for real ??
>>>
>>> ------
>>>
>>> "The theme literally looks like ***** was smeared all over the
>>> monitor. Not that I could do any better, but this theme gives me a
>>> feeling less like "human" and more like "sewer"."
>>>
>>> -------
>>>
>>> "Ugg...I thought the color scheme was supposed to include BLACK. Not
>>> ugly mud-crap-brown..."
>>>
>>> -----
>>> "The theme is not what I was expecting... I was hoping for something a
>>> little less... dark brown, like the color of my *****."
>>>
>>> ------
>>> "Video Conferencing with Nelson Mandela on Ubuntu?"
>>>
>>> -----
>>>
>>> Up until sunday night, not a single positve comment. Amazing.
>>>
>>> jmak
>>>
>>
>
>>  let users vote and comment on the best
>> layout, and if the majority accepts the new looks and feels,
>>
>
> As a general rule, users should be never allowed to vote, even if they
> are right. This case demonstrates that look and feel should be given
> more priority.
>
> jmak
>
>
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