jerome.guelfucci at gmail.com
Thu Jan 31 17:20:41 UTC 2008
Well, the changes I remind:
- gnome-screensaver -> xscreensaver: doesn't make much difference
- file-roller -> squeeze: squeeze is fast, light, seems to have most
features needed for an archive manager. It's stable, upstream answers
quickly to bug reports and features requests. There is a crasher In
Hardy (doesn't happen in Gutsy with the same version) but work is in
progress to fix it.
- gthumb/or whatever was before -> ristretto: ristretto is fast, light
and stable, same maintainer as squeeze and same postive feedback.
- gnome-mount -> exo-mount: we just loose one feature, encrypted
partitions, but it's not really a key feature. This change makes it
relally easy to follow debian and upstream changes.
- totem -> * : this hasn't been decided yet, maybe mplayer-gtk or keep gnome.
I've a P2 450MHz and I can tell you I really feel the difference on
disk usage, memory and cpu usage ! The last annoying application is
Firefox 2 but Firefox 3 should be released on time and should be
On Jan 31, 2008 6:04 PM, Jani Monoses <jani at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Jérôme Guelfucci wrote:
> > I know I've not been very diplomatic. Well the point is that this
> > mailing list DOESN'T represent the Xubuntu community. The decisions
> > that were taken during the Gutsy development cycle were validated
> > because you and two or three members of the mailing list wanted this,
> > this is at least how I feel it.
> We had discussions but none of the views opposing the inclusion of Gnome
> apps were fundamented, besides the vague 'it's ligher' argument and most
> of the replies were clearly emotional.
> > On the Ubuntu French Forums, the feedbacks I had is that people are
> > using Xubuntu because it's light, it's a godd alternative to Gnome,
> > BUT many of them were disappointed because Xubuntu 7.10 is tto heavy
> > and moved to things like Fluxbuntu, or removed the xubuntu-desktop
> > package to keep xfce only stuff, and choose apps they wanted.
> All changes have been in the default install but in the recommends
> section so noone should have removed xubuntu-meta, all the extra gnome
> apps cand be removed and swicthed if the more advanced users wish so.
> I am pretty convinced that the ones who were vocal on the fora and
> disappointed were the armchair critics who do not look much into an
> issue before blogging or voicing their dissapointment. Like with the
> recent reactions to 'Canonical dropping support for Xubuntu'.
> > Now that we moved to Universe, we have the opportunity to build a
> > Xubuntu identity, to have our own applications easily, without filing
> > MIR all the time. I think it's unfair to say that those applications
> That is the great advantage of being in universe and I am glad for this,
> filing MIR was an annoyance. However it does not mean the floodgates are
> open to anything that is now in universe without regard to user
> friendliness and robustness.
> > are unmaintained (xfmedia will be removed soon :) ), and buggy, they
> > seem to work fine for most users. We have backported a lot of stuff to
> > our ppa, XFCE 4.4.2, squeeze, ristretto, and we received very positive
> > feedback from the community.
> I appreciate your work, it's just that it has to happen in public.
> Please do not mix Xfce 4.4.2 into this I did not say anything about it
> But the apps that I one-by-one picked and the merits of which I
> defended during gutsy are a separate problem.
> > I recognize it could have been announced on the mailing list or on
> > IRC, but the few time I've spent on this list shows me that most of
> > those posts become ~ a XFCE/GNOME flamewar.
> No that is not a reason to avoid it. It does not create a good
> precedent. It is only flamewar if the focus is not on techincal,
> maintenance and user merits but on GNOME vs Xfce. In which case those
> who can only contribute to the latter topics are gently asked to stay
> out of the discussion and we can keep it civilized.
> Please justify the switch to each of the apps as I did last cycle,
> taking into accound maintenance - upstream and withing ubuntu,
> usability, stability/maturity and performance.
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