gnome apps

[Jérôme Guelfucci]

I know I've not been very diplomatic. Well the point is that this
mailing list DOESN'T represent the Xubuntu community. The decisions
that were taken during the Gutsy development cycle were validated
because you and two or three members of the mailing list wanted this,
this is at least how I feel it.

On the Ubuntu French Forums, the feedbacks I had is that people are
using Xubuntu because it's light, it's a godd alternative to Gnome,
BUT many of them were disappointed because Xubuntu 7.10 is tto heavy
and moved to things like Fluxbuntu, or removed the xubuntu-desktop
package to keep xfce only stuff, and choose apps they wanted.

Now that we moved to Universe, we have the opportunity to build a
Xubuntu identity, to have our own applications easily, without filing
MIR all the time. I think it's unfair to say that those applications
are unmaintained (xfmedia will be removed soon :) ), and buggy, they
seem to work fine for most users. We have backported a lot of stuff to
our ppa, XFCE 4.4.2, squeeze, ristretto, and we received very positive
feedback from the community.

I recognize it could have been announced on the mailing list or on
IRC, but the few time I've spent on this list shows me that most of
those posts become ~ a XFCE/GNOME flamewar.

If you have some particular wishes, don't hesitate to file a bug
report/blueprint.

Jérôme

On Jan 31, 2008 5:20 PM, Jani Monoses <jani at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> Jérôme Guelfucci wrote:
> > This has been discussed between the active members of the Xubuntu
> > Team. Answers to your various questions:
> >
> > - we don't have special patches for this, patches have already been
> > pushed upstream and we are just using different build options.
> > - if we find the time to maintain it, why should you all care ?
> I know, it's just they are extra bother when merging with debian for
> little gain. However if there are resources for doing this I do not care
> that much.
>
> > - it makes the desktop lighter, and we don't miss any key feature
> >
> Please define 'we'. The changes went into gutsy precisely because there
> were missing features or buginess in the existing apps.
>
> > And finally, I don't see why this is a problem, if you really care
> > about this, come and contribute more :)
>
> Actually my lack of contributions is partly due to the fact that I
> considered Xubuntu good enough and on a good course after 7.10.
>
> Would you consider my reverting the seeds and uploading a new
> xubuntu-meta a contribution?
>
> Do you think that is how development is supposed to be done in an open
> project?
>
> When making changes please do so openly and after consensus. If that is
> reached I am not opposing it but do not do it this way. I got a lot of
> negative feedback during gutsy while proposing and defending the changes
> on this list, but I do not consider that I should have done it behind
> everybody's backs just  to avoid that.
>
> I know that consensus is hard to reach when everyone has an oppinion,
> but we can learn from the mistakes we made during the previous cycles
> when endlessly debating various topics. If we keep it technical, user
> oriented  and leave out emotions and religious issues we can have much
> more effective debates.
>
> Jani
>
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