gnome apps

[Jani Monoses]

Jérôme Guelfucci wrote:
> This has been discussed between the active members of the Xubuntu
> Team. Answers to your various questions:
> 
> - we don't have special patches for this, patches have already been
> pushed upstream and we are just using different build options.
> - if we find the time to maintain it, why should you all care ?
I know, it's just they are extra bother when merging with debian for 
little gain. However if there are resources for doing this I do not care 
that much.

> - it makes the desktop lighter, and we don't miss any key feature
> 
Please define 'we'. The changes went into gutsy precisely because there 
were missing features or buginess in the existing apps.

> And finally, I don't see why this is a problem, if you really care
> about this, come and contribute more :)

Actually my lack of contributions is partly due to the fact that I 
considered Xubuntu good enough and on a good course after 7.10.

Would you consider my reverting the seeds and uploading a new 
xubuntu-meta a contribution?

Do you think that is how development is supposed to be done in an open 
project?

When making changes please do so openly and after consensus. If that is 
reached I am not opposing it but do not do it this way. I got a lot of
negative feedback during gutsy while proposing and defending the changes 
on this list, but I do not consider that I should have done it behind 
everybody's backs just  to avoid that.

I know that consensus is hard to reach when everyone has an oppinion, 
but we can learn from the mistakes we made during the previous cycles 
when endlessly debating various topics. If we keep it technical, user 
oriented  and leave out emotions and religious issues we can have much 
more effective debates.

Jani