seed changes

Jani Monoses jani at
Tue Feb 5 17:46:34 UTC 2008

Jérôme Guelfucci wrote:
> Waou Vincent !
> Yeah we re doing the same, but we are working for Xubuntu, to make it
> good and not to make it an Ubuntu clone... He is modfying seeds...
> waou....

No make it an Ubuntu clone, I still do not see what the problems you 
guys have with GNOME apps.
Instead of being vague please support your PoV on a per app basis.

> There were still 4 monthes of the development the changes we made were
> for testing the applications on a wide user field. There would of
> course have been announcements when things would have been sure. Like
> Jani did when he put gnome-screensaver, file-roller... You remeber
> this ? This really open development ? The supr all-mighty Jani
> speaking to the community....

You are not remembering well, please do not mislead others.
The order was this: I sent patch and got it accepted in upstream g-s-s 
to get rid of gnome dependencies, told the list, modified the seeds and 
the package was picked up with the next upload.

What is your version of the story?

> And remember that if you want gnome, it's stability, you can get an
> Ubuntu for the same price as a Xubuntu :) Like I've done on one of my
> two computers...

And if you want to know you only run Xfce stuff, even though it is kinda 
missing features and has no measurable benefits performance wise you use 
a pure Xubuntu, put together by GNOME haters with total disregard to reason.

> So please do not compare things that are not comparable. WHen I see a
> bug I report it upstream, and work to have it fixed. When Jani sees a
> bug, he modifies the seeds to put the gnome equivalent (a bit
> caricatural, but not that far from reality).
> I thank you for maintaining the Xubuntu site, but it has nothing to do
> with the matter. I'll still help users on the forums too. But I'll not
> contribute like I've done recently, to see the work I've done with
> others destroyed in 1 minute by a super modify of seeds.
> On Feb 5, 2008 5:58 PM, Vincent <imnotb at> wrote:
>> On 05/02/2008, Jérôme Guelfucci <jerome.guelfucci at> wrote:
>>> I will not contribute to Xubuntu anymore until the development team of
>>> Xubuntu is able to do things that Jani do not want. You haven't done
>>> anything for Xubuntu Hardy, why are you modifying the seeds ? Remeinds
>>> me of the Gutsy development where Lionel took care of packaging, I
>>> took care of bug triage, and one month before the release super Jani
>>> modifies the seeds, so that he can say he has done something, and that
>>> he is the super boss.
>> On the other hand, you are doing about the same. Though I may not be a
>> direct contributor packaging-wise, I do feel part of the Xubuntu community
>> and, as such, feel bypassed with all those change you made without any
>> discussion, or even a notification.
>> Likewise, I could decide to stop maintaining the website, and could stop
>> helping Xubuntu users. I don't feel like taking such drastic measures,
>> though, but I *would* like to be involved.
>>> Jérôme
>> Best,
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