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Erik Harrison erikharrison at
Wed Nov 9 21:16:17 UTC 2005

On 11/9/05, Jani Monoses <jani.monoses at> wrote:
>  Hello Matthew,
> >
> > * I saw some discussion in your ML archive about a display manager - any
> > decisions on this? Obviously, one will be needed eventually ;)
>  No decisions so far, beyond the initial discussion you saw.  I'd like to
> avoid ugly xdm/wdm
>  so  it may be a choice between slim and a hacked gdm (not tried yet). Slim
> is not fully functional
>  yet either as seen in it's TODO, ctrl-alt-bspace gets out to console not
> the session choser.
>  After settling the DM we'll have to see how to best integrate it with
> xfce4-session as that handles logouts
>  right now.
> > * Missing programs - the programs installed by default were pretty nice
> > choices, and integrated nicely with the look (sylpheed and others).
> > However there is a massive lack of tools for system administration, most
> > notably network configuration.
>  Hopefully there will be some panel plugins for this in the following months
> or some non-xfce app.
>  But generally yes, configuring some stuff is not as GUI driven and polished
> in xfce as in kde/gnome. Lack of
>  manpower among other things.
> > * usplash isn't working (although there is probably not a lot you can do
> > about this)
>  it did for breezy, have not tried yet in dapper, right now I am running
> dapper with XFCE 4.3 from svn
>  so I do not have xubuntu-desktop installed.
> > * I look forward to some Ubuntu artwork :)
>  So far we have the logo I really like, and some wallpapers but hopefully
> others will contribute too
>  so that everybody is satisfied with the looks.
> > Anyway, hello, and thanks for the metapackage. It looks very smooth. I'd
> > never used rox-filer before, it was very interesting to see a new
> > approach to usability in file managers. I will have to get used to it,
> > but my initial impression is that it is quite intuitive.
> >
>  For dapper we will probably use thunar as the default. We'll discuss this
> in the future as
>  there's also xffm, so having 3 light file manages with different
> philosophies to chose from
>  is going to be interesting :)

Honestly? I say Rox gets the boot - it's primary appeals are
1)AppDirs, which Xubuntu doesn't really utilize, 2)Icons on the
desktop, which Thunar will handle and 3)Not being as complex as Xffm
which both Xffm and Thunar will handle in 4.4

I'd like to see only the non file manager parts of Xffm included in
the future - like the patch manager and file finder (since Best has
Gnome dependencies for now), and Thunar the default FM

>  thanks for your feedback
>  Jani
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