[ANNOUNCE] upstart 0.5.2 released

Scott James Remnant scott at netsplit.com
Wed Jun 17 22:32:37 BST 2009

First off, please stop spreading FUD.

If you have an actual issue with the GPLv3 as a licence, compared to the
GPLv2, then please state what it is verbosely, clearly and without

I can take that to our legal department for consideration, we can look
into whether your concern is genuine, and if so consider whether it's
the best licence for Upstart.

Please don't just wave your hands and claim that the embedded, mobile,
or other similar spaces "don't like the GPLv3".  We work in those
spaces, we have partners in those spaces, and we ship a lot of GPLv3
software.  We know that there is no problem.

On Wed, 2009-06-17 at 12:12 -0700, Saravanan Shanmugham (sarvi) wrote:

> Fedora and Redhat may not have issues with distributing GPLv3. 
> But I can guarantee you customers of Redhat, Monta Vista, etc which
> include many large companies will have a problem with it. As I
> understand it many of these companies do have a policy of not using
> GPLv3. 
Then how are they shipping any recent versions of just about any

Large parts of the Linux software stack are already GPLv3, large parts
of the library stack are already LGPLv3.

And here's a little piece of information for you: the GPLv2 and LGPLv3
are not compatible.  If you have a "GPLv2 or later" piece of software,
linked to an LGPLv3 licence, the only way you can legally distribute
that is (as you are permitted to do so) "under the terms of GPLv3".

> So yes it will be a problem. Now Redhat/Monta Vista might package it as
> part of the distro, but will most likely still leave SysVInit as part of
> the distro and everyone with a policy of not using GPLv3 will not be
> using it in their products.
> Also note that these same companies which see benefit in functionality
> similar to Upstart WILL go off and do their own replacement. Which will
> look a lot like upstart in functionality but be branched for licensing
> reasons. 
Then they're going to have to rewrite a lot of code, starting with the C
compiler and working their way upwards.  Good luck to them.

Meanwhile that effort will show them for what they are, free-riders who
are taking advantage of Linux without contributing back or supporting
its ecosystem.

Have you ever, ever felt like this?
Had strange things happen?  Are you going round the twist?
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