[Ubuntu-ZW] Can someone please help me fix problem with ATI Radeon HD 4570 graphics card
Gyron Mkwebo
gyron at powerspeed.co.zw
Thu Feb 18 15:15:01 GMT 2010
Well, i hope i'm not speaking too fast here. Donald suggested i use a
cable instead of wireless and i havent had a lockup since! How i wish
this is the solution to the annoying lockups. Will keep you all
posted.... and i'm holding my breadth, indeed
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 14:28 +0200, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> It is a good idea......in most cases (but not all)...its safe to say
> if a machine can run the live cd fine,
> then it can run the OS fully installed fine.
>
> I would love to see the day, when you can walk into a shop, and have
> the sales person introduce you to a laptop.....
> tell you its hardware specifications....in comparison to the other
> laptops sitting beside it....then have the following conversation
> play out:
>
> sales person: which OS would you like for your new laptop sir?
>
> me: i have a choice of OS?
>
> sales person: yes! we can offer you either a windows based OS, or a
> linux based OS.
>
> me: what versions of linux can i use with it?
>
> sales person: you can choose from ubuntu, fedora, opensuse,
> centos.....
>
> me: tell me, does ubuntu come with an office suite? i know that alot
> of operating systems need a seperate office suite.
>
> sales person: indeed it does! it come pre-installed with a program
> called open office, which is a clone of the MS office suit for
> windows.
>
> me: wow! so if i wanted windows, would that come with an office suite?
>
> sales person: we can provide you with windows 7 professional sir,
> however this software has to be purchased seperately
> from your laptop. unfortunately, the MS office suite is a software
> product that has a seperate cost from the laptop and operating system
> altogether.
>
> me: oh really? whats the total cost of the laptop with windows and
> office?
>
> sales person: sure, let me work it out for you sir! the laptop
> (core2duo, 3gb's ram, 17inch LCD, 500gb HDD) has a cost of $500,
> windows 7 professional has a cost of $400, and the office suite will
> cost you $500. so your total payment will be $1400.
>
> me: oh my word!! so if i had to choose ubuntu, which you told me comes
> with an office suite, and will work 100% on my new laptop,
> how much would the total cost be?
>
> sales person: you would be paying the sale price of the laptop, and an
> additional $20 for the ubuntu OS. it comes in a neat package
> with a user manual, and installation dvd. the software is freely
> distributed, however we add a small fee to cover the cost of the
> materials
> printed.
>
> me: really??? that sounds awesome! i have heard alot about ubuntu,
> especially from a local bunch in the community, called the Ubuntu
> Zimbabwe
> Loco Team. Have you heard about them?
>
> sales person: indeed i have sir! they are a great group! very talented
> and ethusiastic group of individuals if i do say so myself!
>
> me: i think i'll go for ubuntu on this new machine. thanks very much
> for your help!
>
> sales person: most welcome sir! here is your printed receipt, and a
> copy of your ubuntu installation pack! if you need any assistance
> please
> dont hesitate to visit us again!
>
> me: thanks very much again! (he then hands me a very nice brand new
> laptop, with a colourful ubuntu installation "pack")
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Gyron Mkwebo <gyron at powerspeed.co.zw>
> wrote:
> "this is a war that "we" cannot win." Sad truth. However, the
> idea of
> getting into a shop with a bunch of liveCD's before buying a
> laptop
> really apeals to me. I'm never going to buy a laptop before
> checking how
> it works with my Ubuntu and if the salescritters wont let me
> test their
> machines with my CDs, then i wont buy. So far my machine has
> locked up
> on me more than 10 times! yes i mean it. I executed a command,
> sudo
> apt-get install beagle and with 1 second to go, hardlockup!
> This, truly
> speaking is annoying. I dont know how long i have to wait till
> there is
> a fix to this.
>
> On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 13:13 +0200, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> > Honestly....i think the blame is shared between ATI and ASUS
> in this
> > case.
> >
> > The problem with OEMs is very simple, end of the day, its
> all about
> > the money.
> >
> > ATI designs a chipset..sells it on to the OEM.
> >
> > The OEM looks at the chipset that will bring them the most
> > profit....and since ATI's are much cheaper
> > than Nvidia, that automatically translates into profit.
> Especially if
> > you keep your cost premiums to the lowest
> > possible.
> >
> > Now, OEM's such as ASUS, have 'deals' with microsoft. Hence
> why every
> > laptop you buy, automatically
> > comes with windows preloaded. So if the laptop works in
> windows, and
> > doesnt exhibit problems.... then the
> > laptop is perfect, and will be sold! End of the day OEM's
> dont care
> > that linux doesnt run on their hardware...
> > because it works in windows, besides...once you pay for the
> laptop,
> > its a done deal.. ASUS have got their money
> > from you...thats all they wanted...and their only objective
> is
> > accomplished once your receipt is printed.
> >
> > It is worth nothing, that in no part of the production, is
> the end
> > user ever considered, except for the R&D/Marketing
> > department (who make their products flashy enough for you to
> consider
> > buying), and thats all.
> >
> > This is the realistic truth. they dont care if an onboard
> modem wont
> > work in ubuntu, because if you read the
> > sticker that came on the laptop, it was "designed for
> windows
> > xp/vista/7". When you buy a laptop, it is guaranteed
> > to perform with the OS that it comes pre-loaded with.
> Anything over or
> > under that.. is considered "out of specification"
> > and no one will assume responsibility for whatever problems
> you
> > encounter.
> >
> > Honestly, the pressure needs to rather be shifted to ATI,
> who end of
> > the day, have designed the chipsets, and
> > CAN create a working driver/platform which is compatible
> across
> > multiple OS's... But they choose not to...or rather pass the
> > buck onto the OEM... who then passes it back to the
> manufacturer. In
> > most cases... they produce a generic "proprietary"
> > driver for linux, that provides the bare minimum
> functionality for
> > that particular hardware.
> >
> > All ASUS really do, is buy a whole lot of components from
> tom, dick
> > and harry....solder them together, make a nice looking
> > case for it... then put it on the shelf for sale.
> >
> > It really is a chicken or the egg situation..
> >
> > i have had endless arguments with Dell and HP South Africa a
> few years
> > back...on why their hardware wont run
> > linux properly. Believe me, this is a war that "we" cannot
> win. The
> > market share for pre-loaded open source based
> > computer hardware is just a joke compared to the sales of
> pc's loaded
> > with windows.
> >
> > This is the same story with onboard "soft" modems, sound
> cards,
> > network cards, etc etc.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Gyron Mkwebo
> > <gyron at powerspeed.co.zw> wrote:
> > Trawling the internet for a fix, I found this
> interesting
> > 'rant':
> >
> > It is NOT ubuntu’s fault neither Linux fault if the
> user is
> > buying with
> > the wrong hardware. Yes, I know, in a perfect world
> every
> > single
> > hardware vendor should support linux out-of-the-box.
> The awful
> > truth is
> > that is not true.
> >
> > So what must users do? They go and buy whatever they
> think is
> > nice and
> > THEN complain because linux can’t run on it. It will
> run, you
> > just have
> > to wait a little, so the community can have the time
> to
> > reverse engineer
> > the drivers blah blah
> >
> > But the main thing is that people should START
> VOTING WITH THE
> > WALLET
> >
> > ffs get a live cd and BEFORE you buy the laptop try
> it. If we
> > start
> > buying ONLY from vendors that DO support linux then
> at some
> > point all hw
> > vendors will respect the linux community as they
> should.
> >
> > I, for example, HAVE NOT BOUGHT a single ATI card
> since 4
> > years ago. And
> > I tell the same thing to all the people that ask me
> about
> > buying
> > decisions. So ATI is loosing 100 clients (because of
> me) each
> > year. They
> > will fix their proper linux support or they will
> continue to
> > loose
> > clients (not only because of me but because of the
> buying
> > decisions of
> > all the linux community).
> >
> > SO, VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET . START REACTING! MAKE THE
> > DIFFERENCE and stop
> > complainig to canonical.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 11:51 +0200, Gyron Mkwebo
> wrote:
> > > Got the laptop, worked on it 20 minutes and it
> freezes. All
> > i did was
> > > open eclipse and firefox, next thing, hard-lockup.
> Rebooted
> > the cold
> > > way, machine gets to desktop and while looking for
> a network
> > using the
> > > network manager, hard lockup.
> > > I real miss my HP nx7400. Had absolutely NO issues
> with all
> > the versions
> > > of ubuntu, i have used on it (started with 6.10).
> > > I'll try a BIOs update and see how it goes.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 08:50 +0200, Donald Hobbs
> wrote:
> > > > I fixed your laptop :-) Its working fine now.
> > > > Donald Hobbs
> > > >
> > > > PhoenixTech
> > > >
> > > > Cell: +263 912 258159
> >
> >
>
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