[Ubuntu-ZW] Can someone please help me fix problem with ATI Radeon HD 4570 graphics card

Gyron Mkwebo gyron at powerspeed.co.zw
Thu Feb 18 15:15:01 GMT 2010


Well, i hope i'm not speaking too fast here. Donald suggested i use a
cable instead of wireless and i havent had a lockup since! How i wish
this is the solution to the annoying lockups. Will keep you all
posted.... and i'm holding my breadth, indeed

On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 14:28 +0200, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> It is  a good idea......in most cases (but not all)...its safe to say
> if a machine can run the live cd fine,
> then it can run the OS fully installed fine.
> 
> I would love to see the day, when you can walk into a shop, and have
> the sales person introduce you to a laptop.....
> tell you its hardware specifications....in comparison to the other
> laptops sitting beside it....then have the following conversation
> play out:
> 
> sales person: which OS would you like for your new laptop sir?
> 
> me: i have a choice of OS?
> 
> sales person: yes! we can offer you either a windows based OS, or a
> linux based OS.
> 
> me: what versions of linux can i use with it?
> 
> sales person: you can choose from ubuntu, fedora, opensuse,
> centos.....
> 
> me: tell me, does ubuntu come with an office suite? i know that alot
> of operating systems need a seperate office suite.
> 
> sales person: indeed it does! it come pre-installed with a program
> called open office, which is a clone of the MS office suit for 
> windows.
> 
> me: wow! so if i wanted windows, would that come with an office suite?
> 
> sales person: we can provide you with windows 7 professional sir,
> however this software has to be purchased seperately
> from your laptop. unfortunately, the MS office suite is a software
> product that has a seperate cost from the laptop and operating system 
> altogether.
> 
> me: oh really? whats the total cost of the laptop with windows and
> office?
> 
> sales person: sure, let me work it out for you sir! the laptop
> (core2duo, 3gb's ram, 17inch LCD, 500gb HDD) has a cost of $500,
> windows 7 professional has a cost of $400, and the office suite will
> cost you $500. so your total payment will be $1400.
> 
> me: oh my word!! so if i had to choose ubuntu, which you told me comes
> with an office suite, and will work 100% on my new laptop,
> how much would the total cost be?
> 
> sales person: you would be paying the sale price of the laptop, and an
> additional $20 for the ubuntu OS. it comes in a neat package
> with a user manual, and installation dvd. the software is freely
> distributed, however we add a small fee to cover the cost of the
> materials
> printed.
> 
> me: really??? that sounds awesome! i have heard alot about ubuntu,
> especially from a local bunch in the community, called the Ubuntu
> Zimbabwe 
> Loco Team. Have you heard about them?
> 
> sales person: indeed i have sir! they are a great group! very talented
> and ethusiastic group of individuals if i do say so myself!    
> 
> me: i think i'll go for ubuntu on this new machine. thanks very much
> for your help!
> 
> sales person: most welcome sir! here is your printed receipt, and a
> copy of your ubuntu installation pack! if you need any assistance
> please
> dont hesitate to visit us again!
> 
> me: thanks very much again! (he then hands me a very nice brand new
> laptop, with a colourful ubuntu installation "pack")  
> 
> 
> 
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Gyron Mkwebo <gyron at powerspeed.co.zw>
> wrote:
>         "this is a war that "we" cannot win." Sad truth. However, the
>         idea of
>         getting into a shop with a bunch of liveCD's before buying a
>         laptop
>         really apeals to me. I'm never going to buy a laptop before
>         checking how
>         it works with my Ubuntu and if the salescritters wont let me
>         test their
>         machines with my CDs, then i wont buy. So far my machine has
>         locked up
>         on me more than 10 times! yes i mean it. I executed a command,
>         sudo
>         apt-get install beagle and with 1 second to go, hardlockup!
>         This, truly
>         speaking is annoying. I dont know how long i have to wait till
>         there is
>         a fix to this.
>         
>         On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 13:13 +0200, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
>         > Honestly....i think the blame is shared between ATI and ASUS
>         in this
>         > case.
>         >
>         > The problem with OEMs is very simple, end of the day, its
>         all about
>         > the money.
>         >
>         > ATI designs a chipset..sells it on to the OEM.
>         >
>         > The OEM looks at the chipset that will bring them the most
>         > profit....and since ATI's are much cheaper
>         > than Nvidia, that automatically translates into profit.
>         Especially if
>         > you keep your cost premiums to the lowest
>         > possible.
>         >
>         > Now, OEM's such as ASUS, have 'deals' with microsoft. Hence
>         why every
>         > laptop you buy, automatically
>         > comes with windows preloaded. So if the laptop works in
>         windows, and
>         > doesnt exhibit problems.... then the
>         > laptop is perfect, and will be sold! End of the day OEM's
>         dont care
>         > that linux doesnt run on their hardware...
>         > because it works in windows, besides...once you pay for the
>         laptop,
>         > its a done deal.. ASUS have got their money
>         > from you...thats all they wanted...and their only objective
>         is
>         > accomplished once your receipt is printed.
>         >
>         > It is worth nothing, that in no part of the production, is
>         the end
>         > user ever considered, except for the R&D/Marketing
>         > department (who make their products flashy enough for you to
>         consider
>         > buying), and thats all.
>         >
>         > This is the realistic truth. they dont care if an onboard
>         modem wont
>         > work in ubuntu, because if you read the
>         > sticker that came on the laptop, it was "designed for
>         windows
>         > xp/vista/7". When you buy a laptop, it is guaranteed
>         > to perform with the OS that it comes pre-loaded with.
>         Anything over or
>         > under that.. is considered "out of specification"
>         > and no one will assume responsibility for whatever problems
>         you
>         > encounter.
>         >
>         > Honestly, the pressure needs to rather be shifted to ATI,
>         who end of
>         > the day, have designed the chipsets, and
>         > CAN create a working driver/platform which is compatible
>         across
>         > multiple OS's... But they choose not to...or rather pass the
>         > buck onto the OEM... who then passes it back to the
>         manufacturer. In
>         > most cases... they produce a generic "proprietary"
>         > driver for linux, that provides the bare minimum
>         functionality for
>         > that particular hardware.
>         >
>         > All ASUS really do, is buy a whole lot of components from
>         tom, dick
>         > and harry....solder them together, make a nice looking
>         > case for it... then put it on the shelf for sale.
>         >
>         > It really is a chicken or the egg situation..
>         >
>         > i have had endless arguments with Dell and HP South Africa a
>         few years
>         > back...on why their hardware wont run
>         > linux properly. Believe me, this is a war that "we" cannot
>         win. The
>         > market share for pre-loaded open source based
>         > computer hardware is just a joke compared to the sales of
>         pc's loaded
>         > with windows.
>         >
>         > This is the same story with onboard "soft" modems, sound
>         cards,
>         > network cards, etc etc.
>         >
>         >
>         > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Gyron Mkwebo
>         > <gyron at powerspeed.co.zw> wrote:
>         >         Trawling the internet for a fix, I found this
>         interesting
>         >         'rant':
>         >
>         >         It is NOT ubuntu’s fault neither Linux fault if the
>         user is
>         >         buying with
>         >         the wrong hardware. Yes, I know, in a perfect world
>         every
>         >         single
>         >         hardware vendor should support linux out-of-the-box.
>         The awful
>         >         truth is
>         >         that is not true.
>         >
>         >         So what must users do? They go and buy whatever they
>         think is
>         >         nice and
>         >         THEN complain because linux can’t run on it. It will
>         run, you
>         >         just have
>         >         to wait a little, so the community can have the time
>         to
>         >         reverse engineer
>         >         the drivers blah blah
>         >
>         >         But the main thing is that people should START
>         VOTING WITH THE
>         >         WALLET
>         >
>         >         ffs get a live cd and BEFORE you buy the laptop try
>         it. If we
>         >         start
>         >         buying ONLY from vendors that DO support linux then
>         at some
>         >         point all hw
>         >         vendors will respect the linux community as they
>         should.
>         >
>         >         I, for example, HAVE NOT BOUGHT a single ATI card
>         since 4
>         >         years ago. And
>         >         I tell the same thing to all the people that ask me
>         about
>         >         buying
>         >         decisions. So ATI is loosing 100 clients (because of
>         me) each
>         >         year. They
>         >         will fix their proper linux support or they will
>         continue to
>         >         loose
>         >         clients (not only because of me but because of the
>         buying
>         >         decisions of
>         >         all the linux community).
>         >
>         >         SO, VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET . START REACTING! MAKE THE
>         >         DIFFERENCE and stop
>         >         complainig to canonical.
>         >
>         >
>         >         On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 11:51 +0200, Gyron Mkwebo
>         wrote:
>         >         > Got the laptop, worked on it 20 minutes and it
>         freezes. All
>         >         i did was
>         >         > open eclipse and firefox, next thing, hard-lockup.
>         Rebooted
>         >         the cold
>         >         > way, machine gets to desktop and while looking for
>         a network
>         >         using the
>         >         > network manager, hard lockup.
>         >         > I real miss my HP nx7400. Had absolutely NO issues
>         with all
>         >         the versions
>         >         > of ubuntu, i have used on it (started with 6.10).
>         >         > I'll try a BIOs update and see how it goes.
>         >         >
>         >         > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 08:50 +0200, Donald Hobbs
>         wrote:
>         >         > > I fixed your laptop :-)  Its working fine now.
>         >         > > Donald Hobbs
>         >         > >
>         >         > > PhoenixTech
>         >         > >
>         >         > > Cell: +263 912 258159
>         >
>         >
>         
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