[Ubuntu-ZW] Can someone please help me fix problem with ATI Radeon HD 4570 graphics card
gyron at powerspeed.co.zw
Thu Feb 18 13:11:15 GMT 2010
Shouldn't Microsoft be sued for unfair business practices that hardware
manufacturers have to pander to Microsoft and pre-install Windows
rather than offer a choice for us consumers?
Most laptops i buy come with the microsoft stuff on them, yet i never
use it but would have paid for it. I have a gut feeling that all these
incompatibilities that we get with linux could be deliberate, money is
I'm dying to get my laptop working...am trying different options, like
using it with the power unplugged and using a cable instead of wireless,
then am going to try the combinations/permutations of these. I might
surprise myself somehow. I remember when i had a problem where my
previous machine (hp nx 7400) would freeze when trying to get it out of
hibernate, i would just unplug and re-plug the power cable! That would
sort the problem! Probably even here it is a case of having one of these
funny remedies. Will keep my fingers crossed and let you guys know if
something comes up.
On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 14:28 +0200, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> It is a good idea......in most cases (but not all)...its safe to say
> if a machine can run the live cd fine,
> then it can run the OS fully installed fine.
> I would love to see the day, when you can walk into a shop, and have
> the sales person introduce you to a laptop.....
> tell you its hardware specifications....in comparison to the other
> laptops sitting beside it....then have the following conversation
> play out:
> sales person: which OS would you like for your new laptop sir?
> me: i have a choice of OS?
> sales person: yes! we can offer you either a windows based OS, or a
> linux based OS.
> me: what versions of linux can i use with it?
> sales person: you can choose from ubuntu, fedora, opensuse,
> me: tell me, does ubuntu come with an office suite? i know that alot
> of operating systems need a seperate office suite.
> sales person: indeed it does! it come pre-installed with a program
> called open office, which is a clone of the MS office suit for
> me: wow! so if i wanted windows, would that come with an office suite?
> sales person: we can provide you with windows 7 professional sir,
> however this software has to be purchased seperately
> from your laptop. unfortunately, the MS office suite is a software
> product that has a seperate cost from the laptop and operating system
> me: oh really? whats the total cost of the laptop with windows and
> sales person: sure, let me work it out for you sir! the laptop
> (core2duo, 3gb's ram, 17inch LCD, 500gb HDD) has a cost of $500,
> windows 7 professional has a cost of $400, and the office suite will
> cost you $500. so your total payment will be $1400.
> me: oh my word!! so if i had to choose ubuntu, which you told me comes
> with an office suite, and will work 100% on my new laptop,
> how much would the total cost be?
> sales person: you would be paying the sale price of the laptop, and an
> additional $20 for the ubuntu OS. it comes in a neat package
> with a user manual, and installation dvd. the software is freely
> distributed, however we add a small fee to cover the cost of the
> me: really??? that sounds awesome! i have heard alot about ubuntu,
> especially from a local bunch in the community, called the Ubuntu
> Loco Team. Have you heard about them?
> sales person: indeed i have sir! they are a great group! very talented
> and ethusiastic group of individuals if i do say so myself!
> me: i think i'll go for ubuntu on this new machine. thanks very much
> for your help!
> sales person: most welcome sir! here is your printed receipt, and a
> copy of your ubuntu installation pack! if you need any assistance
> dont hesitate to visit us again!
> me: thanks very much again! (he then hands me a very nice brand new
> laptop, with a colourful ubuntu installation "pack")
> On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 1:36 PM, Gyron Mkwebo <gyron at powerspeed.co.zw>
> "this is a war that "we" cannot win." Sad truth. However, the
> idea of
> getting into a shop with a bunch of liveCD's before buying a
> really apeals to me. I'm never going to buy a laptop before
> checking how
> it works with my Ubuntu and if the salescritters wont let me
> test their
> machines with my CDs, then i wont buy. So far my machine has
> locked up
> on me more than 10 times! yes i mean it. I executed a command,
> apt-get install beagle and with 1 second to go, hardlockup!
> This, truly
> speaking is annoying. I dont know how long i have to wait till
> there is
> a fix to this.
> On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 13:13 +0200, Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> > Honestly....i think the blame is shared between ATI and ASUS
> in this
> > case.
> > The problem with OEMs is very simple, end of the day, its
> all about
> > the money.
> > ATI designs a chipset..sells it on to the OEM.
> > The OEM looks at the chipset that will bring them the most
> > profit....and since ATI's are much cheaper
> > than Nvidia, that automatically translates into profit.
> Especially if
> > you keep your cost premiums to the lowest
> > possible.
> > Now, OEM's such as ASUS, have 'deals' with microsoft. Hence
> why every
> > laptop you buy, automatically
> > comes with windows preloaded. So if the laptop works in
> windows, and
> > doesnt exhibit problems.... then the
> > laptop is perfect, and will be sold! End of the day OEM's
> dont care
> > that linux doesnt run on their hardware...
> > because it works in windows, besides...once you pay for the
> > its a done deal.. ASUS have got their money
> > from you...thats all they wanted...and their only objective
> > accomplished once your receipt is printed.
> > It is worth nothing, that in no part of the production, is
> the end
> > user ever considered, except for the R&D/Marketing
> > department (who make their products flashy enough for you to
> > buying), and thats all.
> > This is the realistic truth. they dont care if an onboard
> modem wont
> > work in ubuntu, because if you read the
> > sticker that came on the laptop, it was "designed for
> > xp/vista/7". When you buy a laptop, it is guaranteed
> > to perform with the OS that it comes pre-loaded with.
> Anything over or
> > under that.. is considered "out of specification"
> > and no one will assume responsibility for whatever problems
> > encounter.
> > Honestly, the pressure needs to rather be shifted to ATI,
> who end of
> > the day, have designed the chipsets, and
> > CAN create a working driver/platform which is compatible
> > multiple OS's... But they choose not to...or rather pass the
> > buck onto the OEM... who then passes it back to the
> manufacturer. In
> > most cases... they produce a generic "proprietary"
> > driver for linux, that provides the bare minimum
> functionality for
> > that particular hardware.
> > All ASUS really do, is buy a whole lot of components from
> tom, dick
> > and harry....solder them together, make a nice looking
> > case for it... then put it on the shelf for sale.
> > It really is a chicken or the egg situation..
> > i have had endless arguments with Dell and HP South Africa a
> few years
> > back...on why their hardware wont run
> > linux properly. Believe me, this is a war that "we" cannot
> win. The
> > market share for pre-loaded open source based
> > computer hardware is just a joke compared to the sales of
> pc's loaded
> > with windows.
> > This is the same story with onboard "soft" modems, sound
> > network cards, etc etc.
> > On Thu, Feb 18, 2010 at 12:35 PM, Gyron Mkwebo
> > <gyron at powerspeed.co.zw> wrote:
> > Trawling the internet for a fix, I found this
> > 'rant':
> > It is NOT ubuntu’s fault neither Linux fault if the
> user is
> > buying with
> > the wrong hardware. Yes, I know, in a perfect world
> > single
> > hardware vendor should support linux out-of-the-box.
> The awful
> > truth is
> > that is not true.
> > So what must users do? They go and buy whatever they
> think is
> > nice and
> > THEN complain because linux can’t run on it. It will
> run, you
> > just have
> > to wait a little, so the community can have the time
> > reverse engineer
> > the drivers blah blah
> > But the main thing is that people should START
> VOTING WITH THE
> > WALLET
> > ffs get a live cd and BEFORE you buy the laptop try
> it. If we
> > start
> > buying ONLY from vendors that DO support linux then
> at some
> > point all hw
> > vendors will respect the linux community as they
> > I, for example, HAVE NOT BOUGHT a single ATI card
> since 4
> > years ago. And
> > I tell the same thing to all the people that ask me
> > buying
> > decisions. So ATI is loosing 100 clients (because of
> me) each
> > year. They
> > will fix their proper linux support or they will
> continue to
> > loose
> > clients (not only because of me but because of the
> > decisions of
> > all the linux community).
> > SO, VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET . START REACTING! MAKE THE
> > DIFFERENCE and stop
> > complainig to canonical.
> > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 11:51 +0200, Gyron Mkwebo
> > > Got the laptop, worked on it 20 minutes and it
> freezes. All
> > i did was
> > > open eclipse and firefox, next thing, hard-lockup.
> > the cold
> > > way, machine gets to desktop and while looking for
> a network
> > using the
> > > network manager, hard lockup.
> > > I real miss my HP nx7400. Had absolutely NO issues
> with all
> > the versions
> > > of ubuntu, i have used on it (started with 6.10).
> > > I'll try a BIOs update and see how it goes.
> > >
> > > On Thu, 2010-02-18 at 08:50 +0200, Donald Hobbs
> > > > I fixed your laptop :-) Its working fine now.
> > > > Donald Hobbs
> > > >
> > > > PhoenixTech
> > > >
> > > > Cell: +263 912 258159
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