Windows Rules
O. Sinclair
o.sinclair at gmail.com
Fri Oct 23 10:00:23 BST 2009
Agree on all points. I could also add that it has happened to me as a
buyer of computers in Zimbabwe that I find that the MS Windows or MS
Office quoted and paid for is actually pirated volume license
software... and then I am not a happy puppy at all I can tell you.
One of the problems promoting FOSS in southern/eastern Africa is that is
so damn easy to get the proprietary "for free". I was in an office in
Moz the other week where they were running latest MS Office 2007 that
"they had found and downloaded"... at cost of a bit of broadband time.
So in a way I hope MS all quirky online license certifications will
really start to be nasty.
As for MS Windows itself: it can not be ignored and it will not "go
away". W7 is likely (have not seen it yet myself outside web reviews) to
be way better than Vista and we will just have to live with that and try
to explain the real benefits of FOSS.
Sinclair, more excited over RC of Kubuntu 9.10 than release of W7
Kalpesh Thaker wrote:
> Okay, so heres my $0.03
>
> Firstly, im going to use simpson as an example, he's been using windows
> 7 for 3 months. officially, it was only released a day ago.
> so the first thing is would like to say, is that he is obviously using a
> beta, or a pirated copy. He hasnt actually paid for the
> software YET, so therefore, if it is indeed a beta/pirate, and he hasnt
> paid any money for his software, then
> ANYTHING HE SAYS IS IRRELEVANT to this conversation.
>
> This goes to any other pro MS users on this list.... unless you have
> genuine software running on your machines/servers... you
> wouldnt quite understand the costs involved in operating proprietary
> software vs open source. Remember, with windows server
> OS's you also have to buy licensed anti-virus, the free ones dont work
> on server platforms. So thats additional costs.
>
> In most cases, running anti-virus in the background, degrades
> performance, and takes up excess processor time and memory usage
> that can otherwise be used for "constructive" purposes. So immediately
> when you install anti-virus software, you
> "handicap" your machine.
>
> Simpson also mentioned that he got a free windows 7 upgrade, on his
> lappy, which im sure came pre-loaded with windows vista.
> now, lets assume simpsons machine costed $1500. of that $1500, how much
> of that went to software licensing that
> he is unaware of?? that laptop could've costed $700 without software for
> all we know??
>
> So basically, with a free windows 7 upgrade, MS are doing this, they are
> selling you a laptop with a crap OS to start off with,
> but they say "no no, dont worry, still buy our crap, then when a newer
> version of windows comes out, we'll give you a copy. }
> Please still fork out your money on our piece of shit software, just so
> that we can cover our asses."
>
> In any case, they will only upgrade you to a windows "home premium" or
> whatever that is for SOHO range of laptop.
> So you're still coming short in the longrun if you need business
> features. because you'll need to upgrade again.
>
> that upgrade will only work on that laptop, so if you have a laptop and
> a desktop, your software costs DOUBLE UP....
> because you need to buy another copy for your desktop... including
> office. Unless they sell you one of those, "works on 3 pc's"
> type deal.
>
> See thats my point, this is why people pirate windows....its because its
> too expensive to buy legit!
> is it really worth it???
>
> I have said this in the past, you cannot compare ubuntu and windows.
> ubuntu is FREE, and always has been ... from the beginning..and always
> will be,
> it has been developed by people for FREE...and promoted and released for
> FREEEEEEEEEEEEE.
>
> can you say the same for windows, no matter how "good" you think it is???.
>
> you can never compare ubuntu and windows...
>
> Microsoft is a business.. and end of the day, they are in it for the
> cash. they can afford to refine their software developement processes,
> because whatever money they spend on this, will be recovered from sales.
> hence, why copy protection/product activation/WGA is such an issue.
>
> thats the thing IN ZIMBABWE, how many people actually use genuine
> microsoft software? unless of course, if you buy an OEM pc, that COMES
> WITH WINDOWS, WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT. that just makes the cost of
> the equipment much more expensive, and takes computer technology out of
> the reach of your average user.
>
> windows is here to stay, no doubt, but is it really better?? honestly???
> does the software licensing cost really justify the performance of the
> software???? does it really???
>
> One more thing, checkout the following links on Client Access Licenses
> (CAL) from microsoft.
>
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sam/lic_cal.mspx
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client_Access_License
>
> this quoted from the MS url above:
>
> "If you are an education customer using Exchange Server, you have the
> additional option of deploying licenses in Per Mailbox mode. With this
> model, you acquire one CAL for each unique mailbox accessing Exchange
> Server. If you choose the Per Mailbox mode, you may not later change to
> Per Seat mode. However, if you initially choose the Per Seat mode, you
> may transition one time only to Per Mailbox mode. This choice is then
> permanent."
> Invitation popup window for live chat with a representative
> <http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sam/lic_cal.mspx#> Close chat
> invitation <http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sam/lic_cal.mspx#>
>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sam/lic_cal.mspx#>
> <http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sam/lic_cal.mspx#>
>
>
> if you are using windows servers in your business........this would
> GREATLY affect your company software licensing budgets...
> unless you are pirating of course!
>
> p.s for all you OSS haters out there, please join a MS forum, where you
> can discuss virus, security and crash problems together.
> leave our peaceful ubuntu community alone.
>
> kt.
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 8:50 AM, Rangarirai Matavire
> <matavirer at gmail.com <mailto:matavirer at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Dudes be serious... It makes me doubt whether this is an ubuntu
> forum or a forum for windows pundits...there are numerous issues
> that the Free and Open Source movement is all about...it is certaily
> not about the most popular OS...It is much more about a mind frame,
> promoting awareness and technological responsibility. Before you
> bestow so much honour on the microsoft throne...think about the
> damage their proprietorship is causing to the world, moreso to
> Africa..and Zimbabwe...we wont even try to discus that. Free and
> Open Source Software is much more than a technology..it is among
> other things about ownership, freedom, awareness, social
> responsibility, development etc..it is the green movement in
> computing... and hey as much as you have a free upgrade
> man...nothing is free so wise up!
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:37 PM, Fungai J Tichawangana [Exist
> Digital] <fungait at harvest.co.zw <mailto:fungait at harvest.co.zw>> wrote:
>
> Er, guys, sorry to be the Devil's advocate but Windows still is
> the most commmonly used operating system. Microsoft still IS in
> the game.
> Viva Ubuntu! yes, but let's not delude ourselves, there is much
> work to be done to unseat windows.
>
>
>
>
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> *From:* ubuntu-zw-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
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> <mailto:ubuntu-zw-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com>] *On Behalf Of
> *Batsirai Taedza Mahoso-Chikomba-Mhlanga
> *Sent:* 22 October 2009 16:53 PM
> *To:* Nyasha W Chasakara
> *Cc:* ubuntu-zw; Kalpesh Thaker
> *Subject:* Re: Windows 7
>
> MICROSOFT was A MONOPOLY so they think they are still in the
> game.But watch out Linux is comin.
> Viva Ubuntu!
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 7:36 AM, Nyasha W Chasakara
> <nchasakara at datvest.co.zw <mailto:nchasakara at datvest.co.zw>> wrote:
>
> Thanks Kalpesh I totally I agree its ridiculous! One thing I
> have never understood is why one should pay a different
> price for what is essentially the same system without one or
> two functions. Its not like windows 7 ultimate edition costs
> more to produce anyway! Come on why sell a Windows 7 Premium
> (doesn’t secure data! who doesn’t want their data secure? I
> don’t see anyone raising their hand) lol!
>
>
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> *From:* ubuntu-zw-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com
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> <mailto:ubuntu-zw-bounces at lists.ubuntu.com>] *On Behalf Of
> *Kalpesh Thaker
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 22, 2009 4:26 PM
> *To:* ubuntu-zw
> *Subject:* Windows 7
>
>
>
> Okay, so windows 7 was released today.....
>
> have a look at the price list on the website below...
>
> now before you get confused at how "cheap" this is...
> you might want to have a look at the full version price (not
> the upgrade) as well as office 2007.
>
> http://store.microsoft.com/Windows7Category
>
> also, keep in mind that these are internet prices... if you
> are buying from a retailer, it would be much more expensive
> i should think.
>
> ridiculous!!
>
>
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