[ubuntu-za] kdenlive sound fix wants to remove half my system

Wesley Werner wesley.werner at gmail.com
Tue Mar 16 14:34:46 GMT 2010


Oh wow good move!

I meant that when I ran "apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-all" it only
prompted to remove one package, the existing -oss, and not all those
packages that you get notified about.
Happy its fixed now though.

On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 2:33 PM, David Robert Lewis (ethnopunk) <
ethnopunk at telkomsa.net> wrote:

>
>
> David Robert Lewis (ethnopunk) wrote:
> > Wesley Werner wrote:
> >
> >> Hi again.
> >>
> >> While fixing a dosbox sound issue while playing Doom, I discovered the
> >> trick! In my case I was using libsdl1.2debian-alsa and had to switch
> >> over to OSS. The package deps are linked, that installing one (-all,
> >> -alsa, -oss) will remove the currently installed one for you.
> >>
> >> apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-all
> >>
> >> That will install -all and prompt to remove your current OSS package,
> >> without removing all linked apps.
> >>
> >> Funny thing is, after I switched to OSS, Kdenlive's audio works too!
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sat, Mar 6, 2010 at 7:29 PM, Wesley Werner <wesley.werner at gmail.com
> >> <mailto:wesley.werner at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>         > Have a look at this thread
> >>         >
> >>         <
> http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/debian-26/apt-get-remove-and-dependencies-183772/
> >,
> >>         > seems like you can force a remove and ignore dependencies,
> >>         Ill see
> >>         > what other info is around...
> >>         >
> >>         > Regards, Wez
> >>
> >>         Hi Wez,
> >>
> >>         Thanks for the information. Thought I was the only one. Glad
> >>         to know it
> >>         not just me. Will take a look at the thread. yay.
> >>
> >>         David.
> >>
> >>
> >>     Digging deeper, I found the thread suggests commands that were
> >>     obsoleted, and not so sure they exist anymore :/
> >>
> >>     I did find that dpkg has some force options, basically it turns
> >>     dependency checks into warnings, so in theory they should not be
> >>     processed. man dpkg and search 'force-things'.
> >>
> >>     dpkg --force-help also gives the manpage summary of the force
> >>     options, it seems like a pretty vast section of package manager, i
> >>     havent tried any of them just yet.
> >>
> >>     dpkg also has a --simulate option which could be useful here ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Not sure if I'm following you. Doing this merely reproduces the problem:
> >
> > apt-get install libsdl1.2debian-all
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > The following packages will be REMOVED:
> >   acidrip adanaxisgpl airstrike akregator alien-arena alien-arena-browser
> >
> >
> <snip>
>
> Okay, finally plucked up enough courage to do this rather complicated
> manouvre.
>
> sudo dpkg -P --force-depends libsdl1.2debian
>
>
>
> Result is success:
>
> [CODE]sudo dpkg -P --force-depends libsdl1.2debian
> dpkg: libsdl1.2debian: dependency problems, but removing anyway as you
> requested:
>  dosbox depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  sauerbraten depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  transcode depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  bloboats depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  lmms depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  hedgewars depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  tremulous depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  lincity-ng depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  libsdl-pango1 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  uqm depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libsdl-perl depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  mplayer depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  vlc depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  xbmc-bin depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libmjpegtools-1.9 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  sdl-ball depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  virtualbox-3.1 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  python-pygame depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  avidemux depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libsdl-console depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  python-pykaraoke depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libxine1-x depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  linphone depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  frozen-bubble depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  adanaxisgpl depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  openarena depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libmediastreamer0 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  libsdl-ttf2.0-0 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  maelstrom depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libtheora-bin depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  blobwars depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  pearpc depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libopal3.6.4 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  vegastrike depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libsmpeg0 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libsdl-mixer1.2 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  alienblaster depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  desmume depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libsdl-gfx1.2-4 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  mazeofgalious depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  blender depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  extremetuxracer depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libmlt1 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  glest depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  fceu depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  blobandconquer depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  airstrike depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  xmame-sdl depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  blocks-of-the-undead depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  eternallands depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  xmoto depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  zsnes depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  gstreamer0.10-sdl depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libpt2.6.4 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  freedroid depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  widelands depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  dosemu depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  ffmpeg depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  qemu-kvm depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libsdl-image1.2 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>> 1.2.4).
>  alien-arena depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  amphetamine depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libsdl-net1.2 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  mplayer-nogui depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  lives depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  rott depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  hatari depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  basilisk2 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1); however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian is to be removed.
>  avidemux-plugins-common depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  atari800 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libsdl-sound1.2 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  dreamchess depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  mjpegtools depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  scorched3d depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libgegl-0.0-0 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  prboom depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  libsdl1.2-dev depends on libsdl1.2debian (=
> 1.2.13-5ubuntu1~~karmic~ubuntuaudiodev1).
>  powermanga depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  nexuiz depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
>  grafx2 depends on libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1).
> (Reading database ... 352103 files and directories currently installed.)
> Removing libsdl1.2debian ...
> [/CODE]
>
>
> followed by:
>
> [CODE]
> install libsdl1.2debian-all
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Reading extended state information
> Initializing package states... Done
> Writing extended state information... Done
> The following packages are BROKEN:
>  adanaxisgpl airstrike alien-arena alienblaster amphetamine atari800
>  avidemux avidemux-plugins-common basilisk2 blender blobandconquer
>  bloboats blobwars blocks-of-the-undead desmume dosbox dosemu dreamchess
>  eternallands extremetuxracer fceu ffmpeg freedroid frozen-bubble glest
>  grafx2 gstreamer0.10-sdl hatari hedgewars libgegl-0.0-0 libmediastreamer0
>  libmjpegtools-1.9 libmlt1 libopal3.6.4 libpt2.6.4 libsdl-console
>   libsdl-gfx1.2-4 libsdl-image1.2 libsdl-mixer1.2 libsdl-net1.2
>   libsdl-pango1 libsdl-perl libsdl-sound1.2 libsdl-ttf2.0-0 libsdl1.2-dev
>  libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio libsmpeg0 libtheora-bin libxine1-x lincity-ng
>  linphone lives lmms maelstrom mazeofgalious mjpegtools mplayer
>  mplayer-nogui nexuiz openarena pearpc powermanga prboom python-pygame
>  python-pykaraoke qemu-kvm rott sauerbraten scorched3d sdl-ball transcode
>  tremulous uqm vegastrike virtualbox-3.1 vlc widelands xbmc-bin xmame-sdl
>   xmoto zsnes
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>  libsdl1.2debian-all
> 0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 50 not upgraded.
> Need to get 229kB of archives. After unpacking 561kB will be used.
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  widelands: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  mazeofgalious: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  amphetamine: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  lmms: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  libtheora-bin: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  blobandconquer: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio: Conflicts: libsdl1.2-all which is a
> virtual package.
>                              Conflicts: libsdl1.2debian-all but
> 1.2.13-4ubuntu4 is to be installed.
>  libxine1-x: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  libgegl-0.0-0: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  libsdl1.2-dev: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (=
> 1.2.13-5ubuntu1~~karmic~ubuntuaudiodev1) but it is not installable
>  libsdl-console: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  tremulous: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  blocks-of-the-undead: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is
> not installable
>  lives: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  libsdl-gfx1.2-4: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  vegastrike: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  blobwars: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  avidemux: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  python-pygame: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  eternallands: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  avidemux-plugins-common: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it
> is not installable
>  mplayer: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  alienblaster: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  alien-arena: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  freedroid: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  maelstrom: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  virtualbox-3.1: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  hatari: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  libsdl-net1.2: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  basilisk2: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  extremetuxracer: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  python-pykaraoke: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  libopal3.6.4: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  rott: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  scorched3d: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  prboom: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  libsdl-sound1.2: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  powermanga: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  hedgewars: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  linphone: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  openarena: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  qemu-kvm: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  airstrike: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  libsdl-ttf2.0-0: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  dosbox: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  adanaxisgpl: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  desmume: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  xbmc-bin: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  pearpc: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  fceu: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  dosemu: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  ffmpeg: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  libsdl-pango1: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  transcode: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  sdl-ball: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  sauerbraten: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  glest: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  vlc: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  uqm: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  bloboats: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  libsdl-perl: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  libsdl-mixer1.2: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  libpt2.6.4: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  blender: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  dreamchess: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  libmediastreamer0: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is
> not installable
>  mjpegtools: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  libmjpegtools-1.9: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is
> not installable
>  zsnes: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  frozen-bubble: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  grafx2: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  gstreamer0.10-sdl: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is
> not installable
>  xmame-sdl: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  mplayer-nogui: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  lincity-ng: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
>  xmoto: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  atari800: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  libmlt1: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  nexuiz: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not installable
>  libsdl-image1.2: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (> 1.2.4) but it is not
> installable
>  libsmpeg0: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (>= 1.2.10-1) but it is not
> installable
> The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
>
> Remove the following packages:
> libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio
>
> Install the following packages:
> libsdl1.2debian [1.2.13-4ubuntu4 (karmic)]
>
> Downgrade the following packages:
> libsdl1.2-dev [1.2.13-5ubuntu1~~karmic~ubuntuaudiodev1 (now) ->
> 1.2.13-4ubuntu4
> (karmic)]
>
> Score is 142
>
> Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] y
> The following packages will be DOWNGRADED:
>  libsdl1.2-dev
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   libsdl1.2debian{a} libsdl1.2debian-all
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>   libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio{a}
> 0 packages upgraded, 2 newly installed, 1 downgraded, 1 to remove and 50
> not upgraded.
> Need to get 1,102kB of archives. After unpacking 152kB will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n/?] y
> WARNING: untrusted versions of the following packages will be installed!
>
> Untrusted packages could compromise your system's security.
> You should only proceed with the installation if you are certain that
> this is what you want to do.
>
>  libsdl1.2debian libsdl1.2-dev libsdl1.2debian-all
>
> Do you want to ignore this warning and proceed anyway?
> To continue, enter "Yes"; to abort, enter "No": yes
> Writing extended state information... Done
> Get:1 http://ubuntu.saix.net karmic/main libsdl1.2debian-all
> 1.2.13-4ubuntu4 [229kB]
> Get:2 http://ubuntu.saix.net karmic/main libsdl1.2-dev 1.2.13-4ubuntu4
> [852kB]
> Get:3 http://ubuntu.saix.net karmic/main libsdl1.2debian 1.2.13-4ubuntu4
> [21.8kB]
> Fetched 1,102kB in 2min 18s
> (7,952B/s)
> dpkg: libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio: dependency problems, but removing
> anyway as you requested:
>  python-mlt depends on libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio | libsdl1.2debian-all;
> however:
>  Package libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio is to be removed.
>  Package libsdl1.2debian-all is not installed.
> (Reading database ... 352096 files and directories currently installed.)
> Removing libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio ...
> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
> Selecting previously deselected package libsdl1.2debian-all.
> (Reading database ... 352089 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking libsdl1.2debian-all (from
> .../libsdl1.2debian-all_1.2.13-4ubuntu4_i386.deb) ...
> dpkg: warning: downgrading libsdl1.2-dev from
> 1.2.13-5ubuntu1~~karmic~ubuntuaudiodev1 to 1.2.13-4ubuntu4.
> Preparing to replace libsdl1.2-dev
> 1.2.13-5ubuntu1~~karmic~ubuntuaudiodev1 (using
> .../libsdl1.2-dev_1.2.13-4ubuntu4_i386.deb) ...
> Unpacking replacement libsdl1.2-dev ...
> Selecting previously deselected package libsdl1.2debian.
> Unpacking libsdl1.2debian (from
> .../libsdl1.2debian_1.2.13-4ubuntu4_i386.deb) ...
> Processing triggers for doc-base ...
> Processing 1 changed doc-base file(s)...
> Registering documents with scrollkeeper...
> Processing triggers for man-db ...
> Setting up libsdl1.2debian-all (1.2.13-4ubuntu4) ...
>
> Setting up libsdl1.2debian (1.2.13-4ubuntu4) ...
> Setting up libsdl1.2-dev (1.2.13-4ubuntu4) ...
> Processing triggers for libc-bin ...
> ldconfig deferred processing now taking place
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Reading extended state information
> Initializing package states... Done
> Writing extended state information... Done
>
> Current status: 0 broken [-80].
> [/CODE]
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> KDEnlive sound is now working, yay.
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