[UbuntuWomen] Non-members posting! [was] Re: Fwd: [Blueprint community-1311-ubuntu-women] Ubuntu Women Trusty Goals

[svakSha]

On Mon, Apr 14, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph
<lyz at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 8:58 PM, svakSha <svaksha at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello All,
>> I've changed the subject line to reflect the discussion at hand.
>>
>> On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Elizabeth Krumbach Joseph
>> <lyz at ubuntu.com> wrote:
>>> As an aside: Since we need the mailing list to accept non-member
>>> postings in order for blueprint updates to work, I've asked svaksha to
>>> loosen the restriction on posting to the list so that emails land in
>>> the moderation queue. She had to restrict posting to members in order
>>> to handle spam, so we'll have to recruit more moderators to handle the
>>> spam queue, please contact her if you're interested in helping out :)
>>
>> For any Foss team/project, its important to be open and transparent,
>> hence, I'm forced to post pleia2's irc message here as the
>> #ubuntu-women channel is not logged and I find her irc message
>> accusatory and insulting, largely based on fallacies which I'm trying
>> to clear below.
>
> I'm very sorry.

Apology accepted. I was writing a reply to Valorie's email and didnt
see this so I will try not to repeat myself.


> My knee-jerk reaction to your comment "thanks to spammers (i just
> cleared 2 in the Queue) non-subscribers are not allowed to post" is to
> add more list moderators, so I was trying to get you that help. This
> does not mean the mailing list admins are doing a "bad" job, it just
> means more effort is required to keep the list running with a
> non-member moderation queue. That's ok!

Err.. its not ok, because as I mentioned in the other emails you made
this decision without even asking if we had an admin isssue. To
clarify, I'll second Jamesha that we dont have an admin issue. I've
raised some important points in both my emails which you have
conveniently ignored.

> Since we have this pool of willing volunteers, I think adding a few
> more is a better solution than asking new and casual contributors to
> subscribe to the mailing list with their alternate addresses and set
> up nomail so that their blueprint updates make it to the list. It also
> gives us the opportunity to review mails from non-subscribers that are
> not spam, as I notice on other Ubuntu lists I admin on that there are
> valuable messages that sometimes come in from folks who are unfamiliar
> with how mailing lists work, and as Valorie said, most folks believe
> their message will be seen by someone.

Your reply conveniently ignores all the technical issues (spam bots
for starters) I have listed in my earlier email and also ignores why
the NOMAIL option cannot be advocated. We need to discuss that before
any decision to open the list to non-subscribers is made.  Thank you ॥
svaksha ॥ http://svaksha.com