[UbuntuWomen] Ubuntu-women IRC channel discussion

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Wed Jan 6 18:29:49 UTC 2010

On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 09:50, Elizabeth Krumbach <lyz at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> This isn't something anyone I know within the project is saying, this
> is a perception from the wider community that we've been fighting for
> years. It tends to be something like: "People go to #ubuntu-women to
> complain/gossip about and insult/bad mouth men and projects that are
> bothering them and the unlogged nature of the channel lets them get
> away with this when they wouldn't be able to in other Ubuntu
> channels."

I agree that its a misconception that some people may have, but since
the channel is not closed or restricted people can join and see for
themselves. Fwiw, there are a number of loco channels which are not
logged. This illogical misconception could be applied there too.
However, if the above is the sole motivation behind suggestions to log
the channel, then we might be unconsciously erasing a space where open
discussions sans public logs can occur. Since a number of women feel
differently about public logging, its something that needs more
thought and discussion.

> level-headed and non-accusatory (not that we'd want this indexed by
> Google regardless)

True. I'd dislike google spewing out my irc logs even though I dont
chat much. Its just that the medium is vastly different as compared
to, say, a mailing list, which might inadvertently allow for
individuals to be quoted out of context, imho. That is not productive
nor useful.

> I think it's vital to keep in mind that the channel is not inherently
> "Safe" right now, logging or not. It may have been true when the
> were under the impression that it was completely safe to discuss
> everything and name names, it's just not.

At the risk of being pedantic, no online space is safe. It would be
nicer if we highlighted this somewhere as a constant reminder for
those that think "no logs==safety". Not.

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