[UbuntuWomen] This link should make everyone happy

Joe Terranova joeterranova at gmail.com
Fri Sep 7 23:45:17 UTC 2007

The ad was created by a company, for a company, and paid for by a
company. It was published by a company. Who does one complain to? A
company, because it was published professionally for a professional

This post was created by some guy that happens to work somewhere in
his normal life (as most people do). His company didn't pay for it to
be posted, and isn't sponsoring the site.

Comment on his blog. Email him. Discuss it on the planet. Don't call
and complain to his boss. Tell him you're offended by the post, and
why you feel that way -- he's already edited it once because people
took offense.

This post is in a public place and reflects poorly on Ubuntu's
attitude towards women, and may curtail interest from women. Getting
someone fired over a personal blog post reflects poorly on the Ubuntu
Women's project, and would also curtail interest in it. From what I
had understood, the goal was to increase the number of women in the
project, provide mentoring for new contributors, and curtail attitudes
that are unwelcoming and discouraging. Scorched earth tactics don't
win battles, they just set things on fire.

On 9/7/07, Jennifer Redman <jenred at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > He made his post on his personal blog I don't think you should let this
> > influence your opinion on such a big company, his blog represents his
> > opinion not his company's.
> So what if he had made racist comments instead?  You don't think it reflects
> the companies values if they hire people who chose to make very public
> sexist comments?
> > We should focus our energies on doing
> > productive things.
>  I agree.  How is making sure that people who choose to make sexist remarks
> on a public forum about Ubuntu are shown that there are economic
> ramifications for sexism not productive?  Personally, I think arguing with
> these types is a  waste of time better spent taking actions to cause a
> disruption in the culture that makes it ok for boys to be boys and it's just
> juvenile humor."
> The reality is that this man influences others, and the blog is in a public
> place. And I also believe that these sorts of posts discourage women and
> reflect poorly on the Ubuntu community -- regardless of whether or not the
> poster is even a user of Ubuntu.
> The good news is that there are lots of men who have taken offense with his
> post, and are speaking up.
> So it's ok to whinge about language on various Ubuntu community posts and
> the wording in the Ubuntu newsletter, but its not ok to take action with
> regards to a man who makes a public sexist comment regarding the women
> involved in the Debian/Ubuntu community?  How is this any different from the
> recent "our servers won't go down on you either" post?  Both are in public
> space -- actually the ad was in private space -- you have to purchase the
> LinuxJournal, the above referenced blog post is actually in public space.
> I guess I definitely have an incorrect perspective on what Ubuntu Women is
> supposed to be about.
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