Ubuntu installers?

[Ralf Mardorf]

On Tue, 2023-01-10 at 21:28 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Wed, 2023-01-11 at 06:21 +1100, Owen Thomas wrote:
> > On Tue, 10 Jan 2023 at 22:01, Oliver Grawert <ogra at ubuntu.com> wrote:
> > > hi,
> > > Am Dienstag, dem 10.01.2023 um 07:33 +0100 schrieb M. Fioretti:
> > > \> Cpan to install Perl code, pip to install Python code, gem to
> > > install
> > > > Ruby code, nodejs for JavaScript and so on.
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > are you aware that this last paragraph actually makes you a
> > > developer
> > > and not a user ? 
> > > 
> > 
> > 
> > A developer is a specific subtype of, and thereby by definition, a
> > user? That;s the way I always saw things.
> > 
> > Perhaps part of the problem is that others don't see things this way?
> > What else could a developer be if they weren't also a user?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> in the Ruhr area, for example, ordinary workers who worked on blast
> furnaces were well paid if they had ideas that went far beyond the
> comprehension of well-trained engineers. These engineers had fairly good
> knowledge but no practical experience but were willing to learn from the
> uneducated but experienced workers. In the Linux universe there are
> developers who only develop their software but do not use it
> professionally. They defend their unworldly ideas with unfounded
> arguments and unworldly statistics. Do you think that Oliver has a lot
> to do with turbines for nuclear power plants? This is easily
> recognizable nonsense ramblings. Feedback from users is dragged into the
> dirt, look what I wrote and how misleadingly selected he answered.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf

PS: I have a reason to post a photo of my Atari ST and that I call a
modern PC a Lego kit. The modern Lego kit "hardware" has some
advantages, but it also suffers from disadvantages. The "hardware" Lego
kit is limited to what you can do with a Lego kit, even if the processor
and RAM are more powerful. The software, on the other hand, should
remain true to the old school and do without Lego bricks, but in fact
everything is more and more in the direction of putting software Lego
bricks together rather than forming a coherent system. This is the total
step into the Dodo's footprints. There are attempts to provide Linux
based coherent systems, such as CIP. I posted a link to it, but instead
of discussing this approach a reply was given that ignores the context,
by replying to my incomplete post. Actually I didn't claim what Oliver
claims that I supposedly claimed. It's untrue and everybody can read the
archive of the mailing list.