Ubuntu installers?

[Jeffrey Walton]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 11:06 AM Peter Flynn <peter at silmaril.ie> wrote:
> On 10/01/2023 14:23, M. Fioretti wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 12:00:11 PM +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote:
> >
> >>> What I am actually sick and tired about is this: that I have to use,
> >>> every year more frequently and in ADDITION to snap, flatpak and what
> >>> not:
> >>> Cpan to install Perl code, pip to install Python code, gem to install
> >>> Ruby code, nodejs for JavaScript and so on.
> >>
> >> are you aware that this last paragraph actually makes you a developer
> >> and not a user ?
>
> This illustrates what developers don't understand: simply to *use* (eg
> download and run) some software written in Perl, Python, or Ruby, you
> sometimes need to install the various add-ons that the authors already
> have installed, but the end-users don't.

This is a big problem for me. I run several production web servers.
The developers often bring in what I call "developer crap" that is not
appropriate for production. The crap includes bleeding edge components
that are not available on a server, and the crap includes debug
packages.

I find the two biggest offenders are Python stuff using pip and
Mediawiki stuff using composer. My current outstanding problem is how
to upgrade to Mediawiki 1.39 with its Composer 2 requirement when
Ubuntu 20.04 Server only provides Composer 1.

Jeff