Ubuntu installers?

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
Am Samstag, dem 07.01.2023 um 19:06 -0500 schrieb Little Girl:
> Hey there,
> 
> Owen Thomas wrote:
> 
> > with the hope that users generally will coalesce around Snap as the
> > universal format.
> 
> I really, really hope that that doesn't happen and that any other
> package management system is chosen (I'm crossing all of my fingers
> and toes and knocking on wood over here).
heh, i really wonder how the discussion got to this point, if you look
at our actual reality today coice has severely improved... 

along with your default packaging manager (and things like alien to
(badly) import binaries from other distro package formats) there has
been appimage in the past to install additional apps, then snap and a
few years later RH's answer in the shape of flatpak came around, you
can install both of these management systems on nearly every distro out
there, usually from their repo or at least from an easily accessible
third party repo ... compared to ten years ago your coices have
immensely widened and i think it is unlikely this trend will go the
other direction any time soon.

> 
> One of the problems with reducing our choices to just one can be that
> it isn't the best choice for us. It horrifies me that the folks who
> are working on the Snap program haven't even ironed out its issues
> yet and are already working on becoming the rulers of the universe or
> king of the hill or however one would put it. If they'd put the
> efforts they're putting into that into making the program solid
> instead, it might pleasantly surprise them to find that the universe
> would come to them. Sadly, their history to date shows that that's
> unlikely to happen (don't take my word for it - go check out the bug
> reports and how long they're allowed to languish unsolved without
> even any attempts to fix them), while it's inevitable that this
> message will be pounced upon because I dared to bash Snaps.

snapd is opensource under GPLv3, the code is at [1] and everyone can
contribute to help fixing their most glaring issues, feel free ... 

snaps are a (very successful) commercial opensource project. the focus
of enterprise, server, cloud, IoT, automotive, medical and industrial
use cases is simply different than the one of desktop end-users, these
customers also usually have very tight deadlines for their products
(you really need that glaring bug fixed that might stall your cooling
turbine in that nuclear power-plant your companys product is used in
before you go into production ;) ), so man-power of paid developes
simply goes where they get paid with a slightly higher priority, this
is the nature of things ... 

canonical is hiring like crazy ATM (again, feel free to apply :) ) and
the situation will improve eventually once the teams grew to also
handle the less prioritized bugs and issues, in the mean time the above
applies, comminty contributions are always welcome to speed up fixing
of bugs and issues ...

along with that, the ubuntu desktop team has grown a snap team that
works on desktopish issues of snaps and IMHO this is very noticeable
over the last two years (i.e. themeing, font issues, startup time and
whatnot have all been fixed).

so summarizing the above, choice is widening and not shrinking, snaps
will not go away but improve with every commit to the code ... and
there is no intention to make them replace debs or the ubuntu archive
(even though there will be an additional UbuntuCore (and thus 100% snap
based) desktop flavour in the future, all these snaps use deb packags
to be built)

ciao
	oli

[1] https://github.com/snapcore/snapd
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