removing wslview from Ubuntu-only computers?

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
Am Montag, dem 03.04.2023 um 08:54 -0400 schrieb Little Girl:

> Calling something that isn't actually Firefox "firefox" seems
> misleading to me.

well, this is a shortcoming of apt, you need to handle upgrades for
users somehow and this is only possible via providing a package with
the correct name to them ...


> > there are apt specific things that snap can not provide to apt
> > directly (some dependencies on the apt side, setting alternatives,
> > some mime pieces and last but not least the upgrade managemnt for
> > older installs that only had the deb installed (without the empty
> > firefox deb these users would have lost their browser during releas
> > upgrades))
> 
> Isn't this something that the Ubuntu team should have known when they
> made the Firefox Snap a default installation?

apt and snap are two different packaging systems, snaps usually do not
need/use alternatives, nor do they have something like "Provides:" that
apt could access/use. the person leading the snapd development is the
former apt lead developer of debian and ubuntu (and also the former
lead developer of the (back then very fast and convenient ubuntu-
software-cnter (before it became the sluggish and slow gnome-software
replacement))

indeed he knows the shortcomings of both package systems and the
transitional firefox deb is the only way to please both worlds on a
technical level ... this is why the package exists at all and is
normally used by all existing installs to cross-grade to the snap...

so indeed it is known and has been handled and any normal enduser like
your mom or mine would never actually notice the switch (mine
definitely didnt) ... if you tinker with the system on a package level
and i.e. remove the firefox deb "to make your system cleaner" or
whatnot, you pull out the carpet from underneath apt then ...

> 
> Thank you for the information, but why am I hearing this from you and
> not from the Ubuntu team? 

not sure what you expect here or why you think the (very internal)
technical details of an implementation need something like a blog post
that only 5% of the readers might remotely understand ... 
(i.e. i know you since years from this ML and clearly consider you a
very advanced technical user, i also think i'm not too shabby at
explaining things, yet it took both of us several days and posts to get
to this point of understanding of the topic ...)

people that do not remove the firefox deb from their installation will
simply not hit such issues and people that *do* remove it are somewhat
expected to have inspected what they are removing and that they have
the in-depth technical knowledge about it ...

regarding "the Ubuntu team", does 18y working at Canonical and me
telling you about the setup qualify me as part of: 

"the Ubuntu team telling you about it" ? 

:)

ciao
	oli
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