Questions about Linux Mint and this list

[Oliver Grawert]

hi,
Am Dienstag, dem 19.07.2022 um 23:33 +0100 schrieb Peter Flynn:
> On 19/07/2022 21:39, Ian Bruntlett wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 at 00:55, Dave Stevens via ubuntu-users 
> > <
> > ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com <mailto:ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com>
> > > 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >     On Tue, 19 Jul 2022 00:02:59 +0100
> >     Peter Flynn <peter at silmaril.ie <mailto:peter at silmaril.ie>>
> > wrote:
> > 
> >      > so I'm going to try 22.04 this week.
> > 
> >     please let us know how it works out, I'm thinking of the same
> > thing.
> 
> I just fired it up from USB on my Dell XPS laptop.
> 
> The most glaring error came up in the first couple of minutes of
> boot: 
> the rotating spinner just vanishes from the screen, so the user has
> no 
> idea if the system has hung or if it's running something behind the 
> scenes so critical that it even has to usurp the cycles given to the 
> spinner.

what do you expect to achieve by reporting it to the ubuntu-users
mailing list ? none of the developers working on the new installer read
along here, if you actually want to get it fixed, you should post on th
thread that asks for feedback to improve the installer experience on
discourse.ubuntu.com, that was in fact the reason i linked it in this
thread above ... ther are chances to fix it "after decades" *if* you
let the people know that *can* fix it (and that asked explicitl for
feedback ...
> 
> OK, I don't expect that ever to be fixed: it's been a problem for a 
> couple of decades, and no-one seems to think it's important. I've
> seen 
> new users literally get up and walk away permanently from Linux
> installs 
> because the cursor or spinner or whatever that was signalling "I'm 
> working" disappeared and left no information.
> ...

> Second major blunder: the Software Center or whatever the fancy GUI 
> interface to apt is called HAS NO SEARCH!

the redhat developers maintaining GNOME have decided to move many UI
elements in unusual places ... if you look around a little you will
find that big looking glass icon at the very top left of the window ...
 
in ubuntu every change to the redhat/fedora/GNOME UI decisions means to
maintain a work intense patch set on top of the upstream code, so while
the removal of all desktop icons and interaction by GNOME has been
addressed through adding a fulltime developer of the ubuntu desktop
team to work on a solution and likewise the addition of a proper panel
has been addressed, the re-ordering of UI elements has not. 

in general you will find many UI elements in the newer GNOME versions
in odd places that take a while to gt used to ... things like search
buttons (or the close/accept/cancel buttons in dialogs) will simply
take a while to get used to, but there is not much ubuntu developers
can do about it ...


instead of complaining in a mailing list, did you consider to file bugs
? 

the 22.04 release is still not the official LTS (like any ubuntu LTS
releases it only becomes that with the .1 release (for 22.04 that will
be in the first week of august)) for exactly the reason to collect
feedback, bugs and have the ability to add fixes for the glaring issues
... if you run such a "pre-release" version you should really use
ubuntu-bug to report your issues to get them fixed in time ...

ciao
	oli
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