Replacements for Firefox and Thunderbird?

[Robert Heller]

At Thu, 14 Jan 2021 13:09:44 +0000 "Ubuntu user technical support,  not for general discussions" <ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:

> 
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:16:27AM +0000, Peter Flynn wrote:
> > On 14/01/2021 04:54, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
> > [...]
> > > Thanks for all your responses. Yes, my concerns about Mozilla are
> > > described well here:
> > 
> > I don't see anything concrete there that doesn't happen in other browsers.
> > 
> I agree, it didn't seem to me that there was anything very specific in those
> criticisms.
> 
> > 
> > Sure I'm letting Google see what I'm doing, but that's the price of having a
> > browser that works most of the time. Each of the others, especially Safari,
> > falls over when it encounters complex e-commerce sites, or even simple
> > forms, because developers only write for Chrome, and insist on using ever
> > more arcane and unstable frameworks.
> > 
> All of the suppliers that I use seem to support 'any old browser'.  A
> site that doesn't is a seller who doesn't really care about their
> customers.
> 
> By the way, what hooks does Google have if one doesn't use its search?

Probably any site using Google's ad services and possibly any site using 
Analytics.  One can always use Duck Duck Go for searching.

> 
> 
> > Evolution is an even bigger bloat than Chrome, sucking cycles like there's
> > no tomorrow, and running all kinds of stuff in the background. Claws is
> > bare-bones and has the ugliest interface I have ever seen.
> > TBird, for all its faults, has a few facilities critical for my work that
> > don't seem to exist in other MUAs: drag and drop messages between different
> > accounts; a Redirect plugin (different from Forward); and an excellent
> > Exchange plugin (Owl).
> > 
> Agreed, Evolution is a disaster, it's difficult to disentangle oneself
> from it completely though if you use any Gnome related distribution.  
> 
> 
> > The one thing missing from every MUA except mutt is the ability to rethread
> > a message. Many times I get a message with the same subject as previous
> > messages in a discussion, but missing the In-Reply-To and References headers
> > (because the author is using some crap MUA that doesn't understand them). So
> > it appears on its own, out of the thread, and may even have replies of it
> > own. mutt lets you push it into the thread where it belongs (rewriting the
> > headers so it stays there). No-one has ever written a plugin for any other
> > MUA to do this, AFAICS.
> > 
> So use mutt, I do.  :-)
> 

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