Replacements for Firefox and Thunderbird?

[Peter Flynn]

On 14/01/2021 04:54, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
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> Thanks for all your responses. Yes, my concerns about Mozilla are 
> described well here:

I don't see anything concrete there that doesn't happen in other browsers.

The real reason I ditched FF when Chrome came out still holds true: 
their support is pitifully non-existent. mozdev is dead, so there's no 
support for TBird either, which I'm still using. All browsers lost their 
way a long while back, and I don't have the time or patience to look 
again. Chrome is bloatware, and I had hopes of Vivaldi, but that too is 
painfully slow. Each has some nice facilities (especially V's full-page 
screenshot, and Chrome's ability to sync my data across all platforms).

Sure I'm letting Google see what I'm doing, but that's the price of 
having a browser that works most of the time. Each of the others, 
especially Safari, falls over when it encounters complex e-commerce 
sites, or even simple forms, because developers only write for Chrome, 
and insist on using ever more arcane and unstable frameworks.

Evolution is an even bigger bloat than Chrome, sucking cycles like 
there's no tomorrow, and running all kinds of stuff in the background. 
Claws is bare-bones and has the ugliest interface I have ever seen.
TBird, for all its faults, has a few facilities critical for my work 
that don't seem to exist in other MUAs: drag and drop messages between 
different accounts; a Redirect plugin (different from Forward); and an 
excellent Exchange plugin (Owl).

The one thing missing from every MUA except mutt is the ability to 
rethread a message. Many times I get a message with the same subject as 
previous messages in a discussion, but missing the In-Reply-To and 
References headers (because the author is using some crap MUA that 
doesn't understand them). So it appears on its own, out of the thread, 
and may even have replies of it own. mutt lets you push it into the 
thread where it belongs (rewriting the headers so it stays there). 
No-one has ever written a plugin for any other MUA to do this, AFAICS.

Peter