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[Tom H]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 7:23 AM Ralf Mardorf via ubuntu-users
<ubuntu-users at lists.ubuntu.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:10:29 +0200, Tom H wrote:


>> Up to now, users have chosen vendor repositories over snaps/flatpaks.
>>
>> Which is strange given that we all use containerized apps on Android
>> and iOS
>
> and iPadOS. Old releases of iOS are way more annoying than modern
> releases are and when Apple migrated from iOS to iPadOS, the iPad got
> rid of some limits. What I'm trying to say is that we, or at least I,
> usually dislike the restrictions of iDevices. Some people are using
> iDevices or Android devices, because there is no alternative for
> smartphones. I don't own a smartphone at all, I'm in favour of
> landline

You must be in a minority approaching 1! :)


> and the reason that I own iPads is, that Linux pro-audio software
> can't compete with the pro-audio software provided for less money for
> the iPad and for drawing the advantage of a 12.9" touch screen with
> an Apple Pencil 2 is not far to seek, even for those who tend to
> disagree regarding pro-audio. However, even iPadOS 13.4 still suffers
> from inconveniences when sharing files between applications and some
> other pitfalls. For good reasons less people chose Docker on Linux or
> jails on FreeBSD to set up a desktop home computer. Snaps and
> flatpacks suffer from the same pitfalls as the container approach
> does cause for iDevices, but they also suffer from teething problems
> iDevcises never had. Btw. due to the design Android devices can't be
> used for pro-audio.
>
> Users stand the annoyances caused by the containerized approach and
> the vendor restrictions of iDevices and Android devices, when those
> devices offer something they can't do that good or at all, when using
> a Linux device, but nobody likes the pitfalls of iDevices and Android
> devices, so for a Linux PC users should avoid introducing such
> additional pitfalls.
>
> Right now there is a thread on the Evolution mailing list, because
> upgrading the Flatpack of Evolution caused a loss of the language
> locale. Manual intervention is required to fix it. If you follow
> several mailing lists of applications you will read threads about
> issues, that can't be solved when using sanps or flatpacks.
>
> Users only get more security and one or the other advantage of a
> container on the cost of losing something else. A container isn't the
> Holy Grail.

Nothing's perfect, especially in the early days of implementation. Do
you really think that the people packaging evolution as a Flatpak
won't fix the locale problem with their current tooling - or prod the
flatpak developers to provide a better way? Software evolves...

One of the downsides of containerized applications seems to be that a
user has less control over the application. I use the upstream
Chromium tarball. Now that I've enabled Snap, I'm going to install it
to see whether I can use the containerized version in the same way.