Problem installing 19.10

[Bret Busby]

On 22/10/2019, Bret Busby <bret.busby at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 22/10/2019, Colin Law <clanlaw at gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 17:49, Ian Bruntlett <ian.bruntlett at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> On Mon, 21 Oct 2019 at 15:15, Colin Law <clanlaw at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It was a freshly formatted partition and I also tried telling the
>>>> installer to format it.  However Ian's suggestion of deleting the
>>>> partition and letting the installer format it from empty space seemed
>>>> worth trying and it worked, and the rest of the install went without a
>>>> hitch.  Not sure how I go about submitting a bug on this.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not sure about this but... I believe the part of the installer that
>>> deals
>>> with partitions does not indicate on its main screen whether or not a
>>> partition will be formatted or not. If that is the case, I feel that
>>> having that information available would be very useful.
>>
>> In the Something Else option it shows the existing partitions and to
>> use one you double click it and it brings up a popup that allows you
>> to specify the type (ext4 etc), the mount point and there is a
>> checkbox to tell it to format the partition.  If it is an existing
>> Ubuntu partition and you say not to format it then it will leave /home
>> (and a couple of other dirs I think) as they are so user data and
>> config is not overwritten.  That is not what I was trying to do
>> though.
>>
>> Colin
>>
>>>
>>> BW,
>>>
>>>
>>> Ian
>>>
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>
> I did an update from 18.04 to 19.04 to 1.10, on one computer,
> installed 19.04 then upgraded to 19.10, on another computer, and, did
> a clean install of 19.10, on another computer, using created free
> space in the clean install instance (I copied the data, and then
> deleted the / and /home partitions, from and old Debian 7.8
> installation, that I still had, from when I was (at that time) still
> trying to get this computer working).
>
> The one problem that I had, in the procedures, was in the cases of the
> upgrades, where, when the process gets to the screen where it says x
> number of packages will be installed, x number of packages are no
> longer supported, and x number of packages will be removed, to view
> the packages that are to be removed, the dialogue box expands, so that
> the bottom, where the buttons to proceed or quit, are visible,
> disappears off the bottom of the screen, never to be seen again, even
> after the area where the packages are listed, is minimised, so, the
> upgrade procedure has to be killed and restarted.
>
> That, I think, is a bug.
>
> After the 19.10 is installed, the applications are <expletive>,
>
> On one computer, in trying to get some useful applications installed,
> the Software Buttocks would install two or three programs out of the
> selection queued for installation, then shut the computer down. After
> this happened a few times, I managed to get synaptic installed, and
> that installed all the packages that I sought, without any problems.
>
> On another computer, where I had gone 18.04 -> 19.04 -> 19.10, the web
> browser named Web (previously known as epiphany), when loaded with a
> number of windows open, would simply kind of freeze - I could open
> more windows, that had been loaded, from the taskbar, but, I could not
> use the mouse within any open window, and, because of the progressive
> downgrading that the developers are doing to the packages, this is one
> of the packages that, like the increasingly useless midori (v0.5.11 is
> far superior to v7.0), does not now allow a menu bar. So, to close the
> application, I  had to use the "Force a delinquent application to
> quit" utility. However, tonight, a system update for 19.10 became
> available, and, after the update, that problem appears to have
> disappeared for the Web web browser.
>
> This is a bit like when I was using Debian, and. as I had said then, I
> think Debian 3.1 was the best Debian version - for UbuntuMATE, I think
> that 16.04 is far superior to 18.04, 19.04, and, 19.10. The versions,
> like the packages, appear to be progressively deteriorating
> (decomposing?)
>
> It is like the zeroth law of thermodynamics - everything tends to
> chaos and disorder.
>
>

Oh, and, for anyone who does not know, the strain of Ubuntu, to which
I refer, is UbuntuMATE, where 19.10 is referred to as the paper cut
release - it is more like the cut your wrists release.

So, I am back in my better version number - 16.04.6.

I will see what 20.04 brings - maybe that will be a decent version,
with decent and usable applications.

-- 
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
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