Kubuntu 18.04.2 LTS -> Ubuntu 19.04

[Liam Proven]

On Sun, 16 Jun 2019 at 14:19, Volker Wysk <post at volker-wysk.de> wrote:

> I've been a KDE user for many years, but I've finally come to the
> conclusion that it's - still! - too buggy and unstable. I finally want
> a system that "just works". I don't want to spend my time fighting with
> bugs.

I started using desktop Linux when KDE came out. I was a big fan of
KDE 1, got on all right with KDE 2, found KDE 3 too bloated and KDE 4
totally unusable. KDE 5 is marginally better than 4 but not
significantly, for me.

In other words: Linux is Linux. Desktops are what they are. They're
_all_ buggy, _all_ unstable to some degree.

If you move to another expecting stability, you *will* be disappointed.

KDE is the most mature Linux desktop there is.

Pretty much the _least_ stable is GNOME, where with v3 they dumped the
entire, mature, well-loved by everyone, even used in Solaris, GNOME 3
and started over with a poorly-planned, designed-by-committee new
look.

It would be the _last_ I recommend. Seriously. And I've tried them all
over 23 years working with Linux.

> Just take a look at the kdepim-users mailing list...

Don't confuse the desktop with the bundled apps.

Problems with  the apps? Then don't use them.

It is significant that many distros' KDE versions don't use the KDE
apps and replace them with Firefox, Thunderbird, LibreOffice, etc.
Why? Because they are Linux best-of-breed.

KDE lost the battle to GNOME 2.

The GNOME project decided to throw all that goodwill away.

So I never recommend it.

Secondly, if you're planning to go from LTS + mature desktop to
short-term PLUS unstable desktop, you are _not_ going to be pleased
with the stability of the result.

> It's a pity, since I think KDE is really good, feature-wise. If it just
> worked...

Good for you. I can't stand it myself but that's just me. I want
vertical taskbars and KDE can't do them well.

If you want the most stable, slowest-changing, most reliable desktop,
then try Xfce.

It's what I use now that Unity is basically dead.

And Xfce is the same in LTS and short-term releases so you miss nothing.

And it can be configured to look just like KDE, unlike GNOME 3.

> I've read somewhere that Gnome is released half-year wise, just like
> Ubuntu. So (I think), the latest Ubuntu version always contains the
> latest Gnome version.

It is an this is why Ubuntu has a 6mth release cycle.

You realise this is the opposite of stable and reliable, right?

> As I've written: I want do switch to Gnome.
>
> I've used Gnome for some week now, and it *just works*.

I submit you've not had time to feel the pain yet.

> > Are you running a separate /home filesystem?
>
> No.
>
> >
> > You should.
> >
> > If you do, you can dual boot them & share a home directory between
> > Kubuntu and Ubuntu GNOME.
>
> It's perfectly possible to run Gnome and KDE side-by-side in the same
> system. That's what I'me doing right now. No dual boot necessary.

You miss my point.

You could share it between LTS+KDE and short-term+GNOME/Xfce/whatever.


> I think I will take the trouble and setup a new, clean Ubuntu 19.04.
>
> What I'm not sure about: Is a KDE version contained in Ubuntu (no "K"),
> or is it only in Kubuntu? I don't want to give it up completely. At
> least there are some KDE programs which I want to keep using.

The Ubuntu repos contain all the desktops used by all the remixes, and
several more which are not the default for any remix.

> I guess I could use the Kubuntu PPAs in order to get Kubuntu programs
> in Ubuntu, but is this supported?

You don't need to. There is only one set of standard Ubuntu repos.
Everything for all desktops is in there.

I think your reasoning as discussed here is flawed and I would urge
you to reconsider. I think you're letting yourself in for a world of
pain, with more of the problems you say that you want to get away
from: instability, bugginess, etc.


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