out of space on /root

Wed Mar 15 07:34:46 UTC 2017

Hi all
This discussion seems to be way off topic and has been going on for
days. 
Maybe it is time to call it "best text editor" or at least start the
subject with OT.
Because we do not all need to follow this debate.
Have fun. Chas
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On Wed, 2017-03-15 at 08:18 +0100, Xen wrote:
> Little Girl schreef op 15-03-2017 1:20:
> 
> > 
> > Which may or may not annoy or bother some users, depending on the
> > preference they would prefer.
> That is taking it very far. In Vim, you have the choice of both, but 
> because "0" is easier to type for me (takes you to the very first 
> character position) than "^" (which is often hidden behind a "dead"
> key 
> especially (or only) if you have international keyboard) (and the
> fact 
> that it is sitting in the middle of the keyboard) --- and which
> would 
> take you to the actual first character --- I generally use 0.
> 
> So I am accustomed to always going to position "0". That is not my 
> preference but it doesn't bother me too much because since I always
> use 
> Tabs if I do code, moving to the actual first character doesn't take 
> long.
> 
> However to say that moving to the first actual character is going to 
> annoy a lot of people, is strongly said. The only reason to be at 
> position 0 is because it is more useful for copying (cutting) lines
> of 
> text.
> 
> Now in Vim you often do not need to be in that first position for
> that, 
> but that is beside the point here :p.
> 
> You posit that the jEdit setting may annoy some users, but I think
> this 
> is rather hypothetical.
> 
> Of course, I guess your point is that the thing should be
> configurable. 
> But better have a good default than a bad default.
> 
> > 
> > And I'm the exact opposite, needing the characters to snug up to
> > the
> > edge with no white space unless I put it there. A good text editor
> > should make it possible for both of us to be happy with it.
> So you're telling me you have a white space of zero? That is hard to 
> believe.
> 
> On the KWrite screenshot there is a whitespace (to the left) of
> about 
> half a character, same as many other editors I guess. The difference 
> being that the KWrite graphical design is so bad (for me).
> 
> The vertical space is actually one pixel I believe, not zero.
> 
> On the screenshot there is already a gray "band" to the left; I think
> I 
> have put it there myself, it would be the line number band or
> something 
> like that. Without line numbers it would be sitting directly to the
> blue 
> line to the left (just like on the top). At least, it's something
> like 
> that.
> > 
> > > 
> > > Now as you can see on this older screenshot:
> > > 
> > > http://www.xen.dds.nl/f/i/screenshots/kwrite-snapshot1.png
> > > 
> > > the vertical spacing is actually ZERO pixels. When I edited the
> > > margins it was just more agreeable to me:
> > > 
> > > http://www.xen.dds.nl/f/i/screenshots/kwrite-snapshot1_edited-mar
> > > gins.png
> > Of these two, I prefer the first one. With the second one, I'd
> > constantly be wondering if I'd put a space in accidentally.
> I wonder what your use case is because ordinarily you would always
> know 
> the left edge of the text due to the other text sitting there. You
> have 
> a natural border, especially in monospace font, of every other line 
> you've written, that is always sitting to the left. So I'm really 
> curious how you can ever wonder about that left edge, unless you
> are, 
> like the other person says, writing space-sensitive code like Python 
> where you are /already indenting/ yourself to no extent ;-).
> 
> Basically in that case if most of your text is already indented, of 
> course you have a whitespace border between the border and your
> text. 
> Because most code is in functions and so most code would be indented 
> already!!!!
> 
> And so you *would* have space between the left edge and the text!!!
> 
> I guess that could go for more code, but I was talking about
> ordinary 
> text; not all text editors are only used for "code", that's the
> whole 
> point of a desktop system, to do something else than code software!!!
> 
> This is why in general every word processor does have a "page layout"
> or 
> space to the left, and no one every complains about it, that I was 
> previously aware of. But I haven't seen the screenshot from Liam
> Proven 
> yet ;-).
> 
> I just don't see how you can get confused about the first character
> of a 
> line when there is other text sitting directly above and below that
> will 
> tell you the first character of the line.
> 
> But maybe that's just me...
> 
> In the case of KWrite the vertical margin can't be improved because
> the 
> graphical rendering is line-based and as such only complete lines can
> be 
> added to the magin for some reason, and not individual 'pixels'.
> 
> What bugs me not is the default (and bad graphical design of some 
> editors, in that sense, for me), but the fact that I cannot
> configure 
> it, in any of them!!!
> 
> Also if you are writing code and most of the code is indented by
> spaces 
> or tabs, seeing or not seeing some extra space to the left is not
> going 
> to make a difference. You aren't going to be calculating in your
> mind 
> "Oh, that doesn't like like 2 exact tabs to me, but 2.1 tabs. There
> must 
> be something wrong".
> 
> You know. Also, in most editors spaces fall away in tabs (especially
> in 
> the beginning) so you _won't_ ever see additional spaces if you use 
> tabs.
> 
> That means spaces can sit there forever and you won't notice (in
> most 
> editors). Other than that, there are no editors that are
> configurable 
> that I know of, so I don't know how you can say this (neither for
> you, 
> and for me, I guess) because it is all hypothetical.
> 
> You say "I would be constantly wondering" but what editor have you
> used 
> that used spaces?
> 
> I mean what editor have you used that had whitespace to the left?
> 
> I'm curious, because I'd like to use it (in Linux). :).
> 
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