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Ralf Mardorf schreef op 03-12-2017 8:19:
> Perhaps we could shorten this discord and simply agree that the shred
> manpage "shouts" (written by capital letters) "CAUTION".

More partial citing.

Ralf, why don't you just stop the intentional misinforming?

"In the case of ext3 file systems, the above disclaimer applies (and 
shred is thus of limited effectiveness) only in data=journal mode, which 
journals file data in addition to just metadata. In both the 
data=ordered (default) and data=writeback modes, shred works as usual."


Of course there is a reason for caution, but this applies to filesystems 
in general.

And yes, it needs to be said that "sfill" is a required companion.

However, consciously misinforming people by explicitly, expressly and 
intentionally misciting information.

Is just not okay.

The manpage itself is also written in a way that induces unnecessary 
fear, because all of the examples it cites are not in common use or not 
relevant to the average person.

* RAID based redundancy?
* snapshots?
* NFS 3 caches?
* compressed file systems?
* backups?

It is pretty clear that to a regular Ubuntu user working on a local 

shred works just fine, with the addendum that some editors may create 
multiple left-over copies on disk and you also need to use "sfill" 

This is empowering information.

And yes, you are creating Fear, Uncertainty and Doubt.

That's EXACTLY what you're doing!!!!

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