STOP THREAD - WAS Re: Singapore Government Hackers Love to Hack Teo En Ming's Computers, Smartphones, and Internet Online Accounts

[Jared Norris]

On 12 August 2015 at 17:43, Teo En Ming <teo.en.ming at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:19 PM,  <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote:
> > On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 13:20:14 +0100, Colin Law wrote:
> >>On 9 August 2015 at 12:57,  <silver.bullet at zoho.com> wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 12:20:32 +0100, Colin Law wrote:
> >>>>I begin to think you are a politician as I cannot get a simple yes/no
> >>>>answer :) I asked
> >>>
> >>> It's because we reply to the mail of the other at the same time. We
> >>> reply to older mails.
> >>
> >>Yes, you are right.  Sorry.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> The problem is the nature of "trust".
> >>>
> >>> In the end it's a philosophical question, that can't be answered by a
> >>> simple yes or no.
> >>>
> >>> From a technically point of view, it's already harder for a
> >>> government to redirect to faked ISO and checksum download sites and
> >>> at the same time to redirect every possibility to share a valid
> >>> public key.
> >>>
> >>> They need to redirect all key servers, they even need to redirect to
> >>> a faked, edited mailing list archive without to much delay.
> >>>
> >>> With this mail to the list, I could post a good public key, somebody
> >>> else could provide a good public key to validate other public keys
> >>> in a different way somewhere else. The government needs to get
> >>> control about the whole Internet. This is impossible!
> >>>
> >>> No government has absolutely control over the Internet!
> >>> OTOH while you most likely could find a way to validate ownership of
> >>> public keys, there's most likely no a way to trust everything
> >>> provided by Ubuntu, even if you should trust the Canonical owner and
> >>> all package maintainers. They can't verify the complete source code
> >>> they use to provide their packages.
> >>>
> >>> In the end you need to trust the community, other humans, yourself.
> >>
> >>Understood.  Thanks.
> >
> >
> > Most likely the OP can trust the public key downloaded from a key
> > server. Governments usually pay coders to add backdoors into security
> > relevant code. Sure, it's all hearsay, e.g.
> >
> http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack
> ,
> > but this is more effective and more likely happens, than trying to
> > redirect official web pages of major Linux distributions and trying to
> > spread bad public keys. It would cause too much attention as soon as a
> > bad key attract attention and soon or later several bad keys would fail
> > validation by other public keys.
>
> No wonder the Singapore Government led by Prime Minister Lee Hsien
> Loong was able to hack into my Windows 8.1 64-bit operating system
> with Norton Internet Security 2014 installed. There's a backdoor!!!
>
> I am wondering if the Singapore Government has managed to hack into my
> Windows 10 Home 64-bit operating system with ZoneAlarm Free Firewall
> installed. Is there a backdoor in Windows 10?
>
> Yours sincerely,
>
> Subtle Denial of Medical Treatment by the Singapore Government for Mr.
> Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)
> Link:
> https://www.scribd.com/doc/258700156/Subtle-Denial-of-Medical-Treatment-by-the-Singapore-Government-for-Mr-Teo-En-Ming-Zhang-Enming
>
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Good afternoon all,

With my moderation team member hat on can we all please keep on the topic
as described by the list charter [1] and the information sent with every
email "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussion".

While some components of the conversation have definitely been on topic and
a little leeway has been given as a result, it's started to head towards
more off topic than on. For example discussion around how to verify a
downloaded Ubuntu ISO is definitely helpful and on topic. Making self
confessed unsubstantiated claims against a government and asking if a
version of Windows has any back doors is definitely not on topic.

Please feel free to continue the on topic conversation under a new thread
if required, however please keep to the topic of the list.

As always, if anyone has any questions about if something could possibly be
deemed on topic for the list feel free to check with the moderation team
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Regards,

Jared Norris
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