<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 12 August 2015 at 17:43, Teo En Ming <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:teo.en.ming@gmail.com" target="_blank">teo.en.ming@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div class="HOEnZb"><div class="h5">On Sun, Aug 9, 2015 at 9:19 PM, <<a href="mailto:silver.bullet@zoho.com">silver.bullet@zoho.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 13:20:14 +0100, Colin Law wrote:<br>
>>On 9 August 2015 at 12:57, <<a href="mailto:silver.bullet@zoho.com">silver.bullet@zoho.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> On Sun, 9 Aug 2015 12:20:32 +0100, Colin Law wrote:<br>
>>>>I begin to think you are a politician as I cannot get a simple yes/no<br>
>>>>answer :) I asked<br>
>>><br>
>>> It's because we reply to the mail of the other at the same time. We<br>
>>> reply to older mails.<br>
>><br>
>>Yes, you are right. Sorry.<br>
>><br>
>>><br>
>>> The problem is the nature of "trust".<br>
>>><br>
>>> In the end it's a philosophical question, that can't be answered by a<br>
>>> simple yes or no.<br>
>>><br>
>>> From a technically point of view, it's already harder for a<br>
>>> government to redirect to faked ISO and checksum download sites and<br>
>>> at the same time to redirect every possibility to share a valid<br>
>>> public key.<br>
>>><br>
>>> They need to redirect all key servers, they even need to redirect to<br>
>>> a faked, edited mailing list archive without to much delay.<br>
>>><br>
>>> With this mail to the list, I could post a good public key, somebody<br>
>>> else could provide a good public key to validate other public keys<br>
>>> in a different way somewhere else. The government needs to get<br>
>>> control about the whole Internet. This is impossible!<br>
>>><br>
>>> No government has absolutely control over the Internet!<br>
>>> OTOH while you most likely could find a way to validate ownership of<br>
>>> public keys, there's most likely no a way to trust everything<br>
>>> provided by Ubuntu, even if you should trust the Canonical owner and<br>
>>> all package maintainers. They can't verify the complete source code<br>
>>> they use to provide their packages.<br>
>>><br>
>>> In the end you need to trust the community, other humans, yourself.<br>
>><br>
>>Understood. Thanks.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Most likely the OP can trust the public key downloaded from a key<br>
> server. Governments usually pay coders to add backdoors into security<br>
> relevant code. Sure, it's all hearsay, e.g.<br>
> <a href="http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/004235/FBI-Alleged-To-Have-Backdoored-OpenBSDs-IPSEC-Stack</a> ,<br>
> but this is more effective and more likely happens, than trying to<br>
> redirect official web pages of major Linux distributions and trying to<br>
> spread bad public keys. It would cause too much attention as soon as a<br>
> bad key attract attention and soon or later several bad keys would fail<br>
> validation by other public keys.<br>
<br>
</div></div>No wonder the Singapore Government led by Prime Minister Lee Hsien<br>
Loong was able to hack into my Windows 8.1 64-bit operating system<br>
with Norton Internet Security 2014 installed. There's a backdoor!!!<br>
<br>
I am wondering if the Singapore Government has managed to hack into my<br>
Windows 10 Home 64-bit operating system with ZoneAlarm Free Firewall<br>
installed. Is there a backdoor in Windows 10?<br>
<br>
Yours sincerely,<br>
<br>
Subtle Denial of Medical Treatment by the Singapore Government for Mr.<br>
<span class="">Teo En Ming (Zhang Enming)<br>
</span>Link: <a href="https://www.scribd.com/doc/258700156/Subtle-Denial-of-Medical-Treatment-by-the-Singapore-Government-for-Mr-Teo-En-Ming-Zhang-Enming" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.scribd.com/doc/258700156/Subtle-Denial-of-Medical-Treatment-by-the-Singapore-Government-for-Mr-Teo-En-Ming-Zhang-Enming</a><br>
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