Seeking Help

[Colin Law]

On 23 January 2013 06:13, Basil Chupin <blchupin at iinet.net.au> wrote:
> On 23/01/13 01:34, Colin Law wrote:
>>
>> On 22 January 2013 14:04, Basil Chupin <blchupin at iinet.net.au> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>> As far as I am aware, the only REAL and painless way to install Ubuntu
>>> from
>>> a DVD is to buy the DVD from a place such as On-Disk.com (Ric! Where are
>>> you?! Help out here please :-D ) which contains ALL the files on the DVD
>>> to
>>> install Ubuntu.
>>>
>>> The DVD you burn from the iso of Ubuntu does not contain all the files,
>>> and
>>> these files have to be downloaded from the Ubuntu site during
>>> installation.
>>
>> Sorry Basil but that is rubbish.  The iso image for the desktop
>> install includes the vast majority of the files needed for install.  I
>> installed on a machine from the iso a few days ago and with an
>> internet connection of only 1.5Mbps it only spent about 20 mins, if I
>> remember correctly, downloading stuff after doing the file copying
>> from the image (I was actually installing from USB stick rather than
>> DVD but the image is the same).
>
>
> Actually talking about a DVD as mentioned by the OP or even yourself is a
> misnomer because Ubuntu 12.10 iso is only 790,646,263 bytes big and, of
> course, won't fit onto a normal CD and has to be, therefore, burned onto a
> 4.7GB DVD. Which is what I had to do and which is what I told someone a
> while ago when he said that he couldn't burn the iso to a CD.
>
> Here is a screenshot of part of the file list of the files for the 12.10
> release of Ubuntu:
>
> http://susepaste.org/38468117
>
>
> When I talk about a DVD I am talking about ~4.3GB of system files which fit
> onto a 4.7GB DVD - so in this discussion there has been a lack of definition
> of terms which has led to confusion and claims of "rubbish".

A DVD is a DVD.  You stated " As far as I am aware, the only REAL and
painless way to install Ubuntu from a DVD is to buy the DVD from a
place such as On-Disk.com".  That is what I said was rubbish.  The
vast majority download the Ubuntu iso, burn it to a dvd (as you
correctly say the latest desktop images are too large to fit on a CD)
or a usb stick and install from that, accepting a few tens of minutes
downloading on any half decent internet connection.

>
> The "CD/DVD" is a Live version of 12.10 with the ability to also install
> 12.10.
>
> The file which holds the system is called filesystem.squashfs and is
> 733.284Kb big - which is why you had to use the internet for 20 minutes to
> download the necessary files.
>
> There is a well known and very well respected member of this mail list who
> has been promoting the idea that people who are having hassles with
> downloading the necessary files using the internet (whether they had poor
> quality connections or even using dial-up) to buy a DVD - I repeat DVD -
> from the site I mentioned because it contained *all* the files necessary to
> install Ubuntu. In writing what I did I was repeating what has been written
> many times before (and you obviously missed reading those posts).

I am not sure he would categorize himself as "well respected" :)
His suggestion is perfectly valid for those with a poor connection,
but that is not what you said, you said it is the only real and
painless way to go.

Colin