Probably stupid question, but

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 28 August 2013 13:36:02 Liam Proven did opine:

> On 28 August 2013 02:07, Gene Heskett <gheskett at wdtv.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday 27 August 2013 20:32:44 Liam Proven did opine:
> >> On 27 August 2013 21:05, Gene Heskett <gheskett at wdtv.com> wrote:
> >> > Provided they did the sudo when they ran it.
> >> 
> >> *Sigh*
> >> 
> >> No.
> >> 
> >> If I meant that, I'd have said that. Do you seriously think that
> >> Canonical would make users run a graphical tool, part of the system's
> >> main UI, from the terminal with `sudo`? Don't be ridiculous. Of
> >> *COURSE* not.
> > 
> > Then why doesn't it ask for the users passwd so it has root rights if
> > the user asks it to install something?
> 
> It does, when it needs it. In the GUI; you do not need to run it with
> `sudo`.
> 
No it did not the last time I forgot to sudo to run it.  It simply refused, 
saying it had no permission to do that.

> If you used the OS as it was meant to be used and stopped trying to
> crowbar it into action with outdated methods, you would know this.
> 
> > I long since learned that to run it from the menu is useless because
> > then it runs as the user and has no rights.
> 
> Then you have learned wrongly and believe something incorrect and
> untrue.

Its what I have experienced, just this past week in fact, so how am I to 
know different?

> >   Fix that, and I heartily agree that
> > 
> > it should be run from the menu pulldowns.  Until then, its open a
> > terminal, "sudo synaptic", enter passwd, and have root rights to do
> > what you want.
> 
> Wrong way. *Again*.

Then tell me why I must do exactly that.  What am I doing wrong when I pull 
down the menu and run it from there?
 
> The reason you are having so much pain and suffering is that you
> refuse to learn the right way to do things and persist in outdated or
> just plain wrong things. The error here is not the software; it's you.
> 
> > And have quite a few times.  But I don't google for stuff like folding
> > a T- Shirt because I know how, and my fold will, given a couple days
> > in the drawer, actually do a passable job of removing the too long in
> > the dryer wrinkles.
> 
> And again, you miss my point. My point was not about folding anything.
> My point was, learn to accept that others know better than you, go
> seek their advice and follow it.
> 
> You refuse to do this. You know how to do things your own way and
> absolutely insist on doing it that way, even when your way is broken.
> And then when things do not work, you complain that they are broken.
> 
> That is why I generally refuse to help you on this list any more. You
> are incapable of taking advice or guidance. When it is freely given to
> you, you grumble and complain and insist that the product is is
> broken.
> 
> I really regret entering into this thread. I think it is better for my
> sanity and the level of noise on the list if I just killfile you.

I am sorry you feel that way Liam, but at the same time you are telling me 
I am wrong, without (usually) giving me enough detail to do it "right by 
todays methods".
 
> > And I learned something, he is in effect not stacking 2 regular knots,
> > but doing a bowline by reversing the second, top knot.  Bowlines
> > naturally pull themselves tighter.
> 
> Wrong lesson. Maybe a useful one, but not the one that the video is
> trying to teach.
> 
> > You can recognize a diabetic that has been that way for a while, he
> > will be wearing heavy woolen socks in 80(F) degree weather.
> 
> My mother (75) has diabetes, after nearly 4 decades of caring for my
> diabetic father, who died 26 years ago. I am familiar with the
> problems and very much hope to avoid them. :¬(

I hope you do too, Liam.  Its a right PIMA.  Or PITA depending on who is 
viewing it. :)

Cheers, Gene
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