This does NOT go towards making a good impression :-(

William Scott Lockwood III vladinator at
Wed Apr 3 07:40:09 UTC 2013


None of your assertions are provable either. In fact, there is all sorts of
proof that what I am saing is true, starting with the fact that no one in
the Linux press is saying it doesn't work, no large number of different
people are flooding this list with "Ermaghad, it doesn't boot!", and to be
easily more valid than your one machine case anecdotal single point of
data, I manage hundreds of servers running Ubuntu (and many other distros,
some BSD, and so on) and we don't have this problem.

As to how to read dmesg, surely someone who can actually enjoy any variant
of SUSE, you know how to open another terminal and read logs. Yes, if you
do it correctly, you can get a terminal open and displaying log output
during an install.

Are you even trying, or just trolling? I've seen your name quite a bit
before and never would have thought that of you, until I read your reply.
That, or you have no engineering skills, or ability to think critically,
and I find that difficult to believe as well.

There are better places to advocate for your distro of choice, and if your
only way to do that is to slag the competition, then I guess you've said
everything we need to know about it.

Stop blaming the software, and troubleshoot, or use something else. Linux
has reached the stage where it is accessable. However, windows will likely
_always_ be easier, as will OS X. That's just how it goes.


W Scott Lockwood III
On Apr 3, 2013 1:04 AM, "Basil Chupin" <blchupin at> wrote:

> On 02/04/13 22:11, William Scott Lockwood III wrote:
>> On Apr 2, 2013 5:32 AM, "Basil Chupin" <blchupin at <mailto:
>> blchupin at>**> wrote:
>> > Then read the 'Read the full installation instructions' and any
>> conscientious and eager novice will then read the part at the end which
>> states, "More technical detailed technical are available on the Ubuntu
>> wiki" and this will take one to-
>> >
>> > �**04/installation-guide/index.**html<>
>> >
>> > And what is stated there?
>> >
>> > [pruned]
>> >
>> >
>> > BC
>> What's most odd to me about this, is that clearly it works for the vast
>> majority.
> This just "doesn't compute" :-) .
> "...clearly it works for the vast majority" is an assumption on your part
> and is not provable on either count: the "clearly works" part and on the
> "vast majority" part :-) .
> If you read mail lists you will find that suddenly out of the blue someone
> will post a message - indicating that people lurk and are not willing, for
> one reason or another, to post especially when it comes to pointing out
> that there is a problem.
> And more than likely that, when they tried to install the Alternate
> version of 12.04.2, they would have jumped the same conclusion as you did
> which was that nobody else has complained so the problem must be "at my
> end".
>  Why is your automatic assumption that it is not the hardware, or
>> configuration, but "something is wrong with Ubuntu." rather than something
>> a little more reasonable like "something is wrong with trying to install
>> Ubuntu on this machine" and trying to figure out why that is?
> When I can install other distros - including the "standard" Ubuntu 12.04.2
> - without a hassle but cannot do so with Alternate version of 12.04.2
> because the darn thing freezes on the second screen of the installation
> process what is one supposed to conclude? :-)
> Oh, and just to be absolutely clear on this because I specifically
> mentioned it in my original post: the DVD checked out with no errors by the
> Medium Checker on that DVD.
>  Have you gone through what's in dmesg's output?
> Ummmm, do you realise what you have just asked? :-)
> How can I go thru dmesg' output when the bloody thing freezes on the
> second screen of the installation sequence? :-)
>  As an aside, If you don't like Ubuntu, or just a part of it, there are
>> other good options out there. For example, while I persinally can't stand
>> the Unity interface, a lot of people do seem to like it. UbuntuStudio is
>> thus my primary platform.
> I have not heard of it but now that you mention it I'll have a look at
> what it is. Always good to learn about different distros (if, in fact, it
> is another distro to the proppa Ubuntu with its Unity).
>  It gives me a lot of software I would normally have to install later,
>> lacks Unity, etc. I'm sure you don't mean to, but you come across slightly
>> miffed or something.
> "Miffed"? If you are defining 'miffed' to mean "pissed off" then, NO I am
> not 'miffed'.
> As you would have gathered by now I am using another distro (openSUSE) and
> what happens to Ubuntu is something which is immaterial to me. I have
> installed Ubuntu (again, after some years) because, as I stated, I try and
> help people here and so thought that it would be a good idea to have a copy
> installed to see what others are experiencing and asking questions about.
> *But* the reason why I mentioned my experience with Alternate version of
> 12.04.2 is simply that if someone is trying to move away from, say, Windows
> and comes across this problem where the damn thing cannot get past the
> second screen of the installation sequence then it reflects on *all* things
> Linux. "I've been warned about Linux - it's for the geeks; but I have never
> had problems with Windows." And I don't like this.
> BC
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