xubuntu 12.04 and webmin

[Joep L. Blom]

On 01-05-12 23:55, compdoc wrote:
>> I would like to hear the reasons why some people
>> don't like it as it proves to be a very reliable OS manager
>> (for Linux).
>
> In the Ubuntu IRC support channel on freenode, they say that webmin has not
> handled conf files properly for the last couple of versions of Ubuntu, among
> other reasons.
>
> I left webmin long ago when I learned to set up services in a way that's
> native to the OS. Of course, I do understand the desire to control things
> from a simple gui.
>
>
>> I don't like answers like "in Ubuntu is the package was
>> not maintained in Debian and the Debian Developer who
>> had been maintaining it requested its removal a few years ago".
>
> Is that an imaginary example, or something you've heard that's specific to
> webmin?
>

Compdoc,
Chuck Peters > cp at axs.org  said it in his mail of yesterday.
However, a sentence beginning with: "they say that.." and than some 
uncontrollable statement is also not very trustworthy. It is the way 
politicians try to support their ridiculous statements. I would like to 
know what webmin does with .conf files as I haven't found any problems. 
Even the control file for fetchmail are well handled.
Of course I agree that webmin has his peculiarities if you don't know 
what you do it can make your system unusable. But that is your 
responsibility not of some developer who tries to think for you.  That 
attitude is the "we know what's good for you" attitude of big companies 
(MS, Apple IBM, Oracle, etc.). That's the reason for crappy UI's as the 
developer thinks he knows all and that's what makes me furious.
Before my retirement I managed a team of programmers where - very seldom 
- someone thought also along those lines: only for a very short period!.

Sorry for the rant but I think a good and unique program deserves better 
in the Ubuntu community. However, I work with Ubuntu since version 6 and 
have always seen this attitude to webmin.
Of course, in the old days we managed systems from the CL (actually I 
still prefer that) but even with the few systems I manage (4) it is handy.
Joep
(using UNIX since 1992)