Shuttleworth (SABDFL) wants to shutdown this ubuntu.user list

NoOp glgxg at
Thu Sep 29 00:48:19 UTC 2011

Culled from the recent threads via Alan Pope regarding '[Admin]
Additional moderator':
Shuttleworth states that they should just shut the Ubuntu users list
down (Mark Shuttleworth is 'sabdfl'[1]:
[aiee, we should just shut that baby down]
[i'm happy to take the shutdown bullets on -users]
[even if it's of the 'last chance, fred's agreed to moderate, if (s)he
gives up, we shut down the list']

Given the past results from the Sounder list I reckon that this list is
probably on it's last legs (IMO). And before anyone here ask: no I don't
plan to volunteer to be a moderator... I get enough flack already for
being a quasi-listmom on occasion.

So if any of you wish to object to the benevolent founder comments a the
last Community Council meeting, you can login to the upcoming one to
voice your opinion:
"The next meeting is scheduled for 4th October 2011, 21:00 UTC and will
be held in #ubuntu-meeting on"

Have at it & good luck. I reckon that I'll start spending more time on
non-Ubuntu lists & newsgroups.


This is not a democracy, it's a meritocracy. We try to operate more on
consensus than on votes, seeking agreement from the people who will have
to do the work. Mark Shuttleworth, as self-appointed benevolent dictator
for life (SABDFL), plays a happily undemocratic role as sponsor of the
project. He has the ability, with regard to Canonical employees, to ask
people to work on specific projects, specific feature goals and specific

He also has a casting vote on the Technical Board and Community Council,
should it come to a vote. This capacity is not used lightly. The
community functions best when it can reach broad consensus about a way
forward. However, it is not uncommon in the open-source world for there
to be multiple good arguments, no clear consensus, and for arguments to
divide communities rather than enrich them. The argument absorbs the
energy that might otherwise have gone towards the creation of a
solution. In many cases, there is no one 'right' answer, and what is
needed is a decision more than a debate. The sabdfl acts to provide
clear leadership on difficult issues, and set the pace for the project.

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