[ADMIN] Additional moderator(s) sought for ubuntu-users list

Dave Woyciesjes woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net
Wed Sep 28 17:05:58 UTC 2011

Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Sep 2011 11:40:53 -0400
> Dave Woyciesjes <woyciesjes at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> [...] 
>> 	So, you are fine with moderation, but don't want a warm body
>> doing it? Or you just disagree with a person being the first line of
>> moderation? Hmmm, since AI technology is still being developed, how
>> exactly do you propose we do the moderation then?
> Allow me to refer you to my second post Re: this subject:
> ----------
> My own experience is that, if a list needs moderation, the list members
> themselves will take care of it, either through ignoring the
> noise-makers or chastising them.  Failing that, moderation only chases
> away the good help, the ones who won't put up with nannies and /good
> momma/ moderation.
> ----------

	Yep, I do remember that post of yours. While your experience 
_on_other_lists_ shows that self moderation works (and I agree that it 
does in some lists, particularly those with smaller memberships); 
unfortunately time has proven that self-moderation does not work here.
	For the many lists I've been on, I've seen only 2 reasons why the "good 
help" goes away - 1: to much off-topic "noise"/abuse/flamewars or 
2:they're part of the "noise" and get upset when reminded of the rules 
or kicked out.

> In view of our unwillingness to police our own areas, how can we
> feel it is wise to give that job to individuals?  The 'hiring' (or
> appointing) of controllers only gets you more and more controlled.
> (there's a related saying about Danes but it is too offensive to repeat)

	The mod's rules/guidelines are clearly stated: summed up as help people 
to keep things on topic, and out of the weeds.

> In all seriousness, I don't particularly care if the list is moderated,
> left alone or shut down.  I merely act as Devil's Advocate, seeing that
> differing opinions aren't very forthcoming from the rest of the list.

	Maybe that's because there may _not_ be any differing opinions? Or that 
those with differing opinions aren't worried about moderation?

> I'm of the opinion that, if the list stops being what I want it to be
> /for me/, I'll be on my way to another.  I'm not bound either way.

	From the way you present your arguments/discussions/posts, it seems as 
if this list hasn't been what you want for yourself for a while now. I'm 
surprised you're still here, then, in that case.

> To both the list as a whole and the CC, in particular:
> As I am first and foremost a staunch believer in personal freedom,
> please do as you wish.  I only present options for your consideration.
> Cybe R. Wizard

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