[ADMIN] Additional moderator(s) sought for ubuntu-users list

Amedee Van Gasse amedee-ubuntu at amedee.be
Wed Sep 28 15:26:48 UTC 2011

On Tue, September 27, 2011 20:35, Avi Greenbury wrote:
> Cybe R. Wizard wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2011 11:00:44 -0700
>> Pastor JW <pastor_jw at the-inner-circle.org> wrote
>> > Hopefully it would stop those 100 post long nonsense and off topic
>> > treads we now see so much of.  Because of the work load, I'd vote
>> > for the plural on the moderator(s) question.  A good helpful list
>> > shouldn't need to be filled with noise all the time.  It renders the
>> > list as worthless as Google and it ruins the helpful part. Then too,
>> > the noise factor bogs the new users down in their quest to actually
>> > learn how something works.
>> >
>> If that's your feeling, why haven't /you/ been telling folks off for
>> OT posts?  Why delegate authority to another who may have (/probably/
>> has) a different agenda than that which is shown publicly?
> Because that would add yet further to the useless and off topic posts,
> and cause the thread to descend, as this surely will, to repeated
> demands for the fulfilment of some apparent universal human right to
> access to a canonical-hosted off-topic mailing list.
>> My own experience is that, if a list needs moderation, the list
>> members themselves will take care of it, either through ignoring the
>> noise-makers or chastising them.  Failing that, moderation only chases
>> away the good help, the ones who won't put up with nannies and /good
>> momma/ moderation.
> I don't think particularly active moderation is likely to be needed for
> more than a month or so. There's only a few users who habitually post
> off-topic replies, and I suspect that the intended effect is precisely
> for them to leave, and let the list return to its previously rather
> useful state.
> Really, the object of this excercise is probably to make more certain
> that the rump of -sounder doesn't insist on staying here.
>> I've seen it go just that way on a good many lists so far, Sounder
>> included, and imagine this one will go to the dogs pretty quickly if
>> moderation is imminent.
> Sounder wasn't broken by moderation, it was closed because Canonical no
> longer saw a reason to host a non-ubuntu-related list. They have even
> more justification, in my opinion, to want to stop this one becoming
> another not-ubuntu-related list.
>> People /will/ talk, and about what they wish.  Adults don't need
>> baby-sitting, no matter the fears of those in 'control'.
> This list was perfectly useful without all the off topic posts before
> -sounder went. I really don't think we need those 'Adults' who are
> incapable of remaining on-topic in a support list.
>> Cybe R. Wizard -prefers freedom to intellectual brow-beating
> There's no intellectual brow-beating going on. There's just moves to
> make this list something that's worth subscribing to for someone who is
> looking for a list matching the nominal description of this one.

I would like to nominate Avi, should he accept.
I kept the full quote, it serves as his application.


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