Unity ROCKS not!!!

[Billie Walsh]

On 05/08/2011 01:59 PM, Liam Proven wrote:
> On 8 May 2011 17:50, Thierry de Coulon<tcoulon at decoulon.ch>  wrote:
>> On Sunday 08 May 2011 06:20:58 pm Douglas S. Saylor wrote:
>>> But take away one panel from their distro of choice and replace with a
>>> new dock, and the screams of outrage can be heard from the next
>>> continent over. "This is oppression, this isn't a democracy, we are
>>> being punished, how dare they," etc. etc. ad nauseam.
>>>
>>>> It's pathetic and it's childish.
>>
>> It's not. _you_ find it pathetic and childish so _you_ are telling others to
>> shut up. I agree there may be better to say it, but saying it is OK.
>
> I'm telling them to grow up, not shut up. :¬)
>
>>>> Just deal with it, learn the new, and move on. That's what adults do.
>>>> Behave like a grown up not a three-year-old whose toy has been taken
>>>> away.
>>>
>>> Well said!
>>
>> I find both wrong. It's not oppression, but it sure is not democracy.
>
> Never was. Never claimed to be. Anyone who ever said it was didn't
> know what they were talking about.
>
> You know the Dean Martin quote: "It's Frank's world. You and me, baby,
> we just live in it." (Speaking of Sinatra.)
>
> Well, we Ubuntisti, we live in Mark's world. It's not ours and we
> don't even have much of a say in it. It's Mark's baby. He's paying,
> he's in charge. He is on a mission: to bring Linux to the masses. It
> is a truth universally acknowledged that the way to do this is to make
> it simpler and easier, and that is the plan with Unity. To take Ubuntu
> away from being a slightly-weird-bit-like-Windows-only-different
> desktop to something colourful, easy and accessible, like an iPad.
>
>> No one
>> asked the "users" what they want,
>
> Nope, because the users don't really know.
>
>> "someone" was bright enough to "find out"
>> what "the majority" wants and impose it to everyone (or at least make it
>> relatively difficult not to use it).
>
> What majority? Where? This is, in essence, an experiment - trotting
> along behind Apple, taking the paths that have worked well for them.
>
>> If you like a distribution and it's not going the way you like, just shutting
>> your mouth and following in silence is neither "grown up" nor adult, it's
>> _stupid_ (and I'll never do it). There are alternatives. What's adult to do
>> is:
>
> Good for you. 'Bye, then!
>
>> a) let the people know they don't like it
>
> Why? Why should they care? You're not a paying customer. You're a
> freeloader. We all are.
>
>> b) if they don't listen go their own way (or of course change it if they are
>> able to)
>
> You are entirely free to run anything you want; nobody is trying in
> any way to prevent you.
>
>> What (some) people people are doing on this list is a); Unfortunately, having
>> gone through this previously on a KDE list, I fear it's useless. And the same
>> will happen on all Gnome-related lists given what Gnome 3 is.
>
> When a new generation of a product comes out, yes, generally, the old
> one is killed off. This is not a big surprise.
>
> Some people wanted to keep KDE3 alive 'cos they didn't like KDE4. It
> failed, pretty much. The same may happen with GNOME 2 versus 3. It
> will fail too, probably.
>
>> My answer is: go look somewhere else: there are light desktops that can
>> satisfy some, keep 10.10 (or less) with Gnome 2 or use 11.04 with Gnome 2,
>> run Trinity-KDE 3 on 10.10, or take a look at KDE 4.6: it's taken 5 years and
>> it's still bloated but it (really and with quite a lot of customising) starts
>> to be usable. Try SuSE or Mepis 11.
>
> Why move? What is so difficult about adjusting?
>
>> A big question is the future of Gnome 2.
>
> Is it? Really? Why? I see no question. GNOME 2 doesn't have a future.
> GNOME has a future, and for now, it's GNOME 3. GNOME 2 is history.
>
>> The KDE team decided to kill KDE 3
>> early to force KDE 4 acceptation.
>
> Kill it how? By no longer supporting a superseded piece of code? Well
> what else should they do?
>
>
>> Will the Gnome team do the same? Early
>> talks said no, but I can't find any recent infos about that. As long as Gnome
>> 2 is maintained, there can be an Ubuntu-Gnome 2 release, that is _if_ anyone
>> can/is willng to  do it.
>
> Why would a modern distro cling to outdated legacy code?
>
> Seriously, I'm curious, why?
>

+1
Well said Liam.

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"A good moral character is the first essential in a man." George Washington

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