10.04? No thanks, I give up!

[chris]

On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 20:13 +0800, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
> Karl Larsen wrote:
> > On 05/11/2010 05:20 AM, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
> >>    
> >>> I take issue though with the Ubuntu model for LTS. It makes people
> >>> think that a release is OK as soon as it is published when in fact it
> >>> is only slightly less buggy, if at all, than Ubuntu's non-LTS
> >>> releases. I am at the moment in a permanent fight with my clients to
> >>> convince them to wait for 10.04.1 before I upgrade their servers. I
> >>> upgraded the boxes of a new client immediately after the release
> >>> because I would have lost/not gained him had I kept on saying "wait"
> >>> but it was a silly risk. Thankfully, they are running OK, probably
> >>> because the unstable stuff is generally pulled in by the desktop
> >>> tasksels or other desktop-related apps.
> >>>
> >>>      
> >> +1
> >>
> >> That LTS badge is meaningless if it just means we shall ensure security
> >> fixes for the next x years.
> >>
> >>    
> >          The base problem is promising a fancy new Ubuntu Linux every 6 
> > months. This almost is a certain problem for people like you with 
> > customers who hear about 10.04 and want it right NOW :-)
> > 
> 
> /rant mode on
> No, the basic problem is the current development model. The reliance on 
> others for validation of packages is just not on. The reliance on others 
> reporting obscure/special case bugs is fine but doing a release without 
> the most basic of testing is just bad for your image. If Canonical wants 
> any of my money, they have to first show that they can deliver a certain 
> level of service and just not doing basic testing throws plenty of doubt 
> on whether they can deliver at all. I don't care how part of Ubuntu is 
> maintained/developed by the 'community' I am not going for that sort of 
> 'service'. If I was, I'd be using Debian.
> 
> Fedora is an example of a failure at a community driven distribution. 
> Redhat had to hire people to get involved in Fedora after the Fedora 
> 9/Fedora 10 fiasco. Any distribution that is the playing ground for its 
> contributors/developers is just going to go boom! like Fedora 9 did.
> 
> Look at Kubuntu. A big disastrous experiment. It is much better now but 
> you still do not have stuff that was available in KDE 3.5. The latest 
> Debian release is looking good on that score.
> /rant mode off
> 
> I don't have customers. I have 'customers' aka users. I'm not making 
> myself a dart board.
> 

Which is why I am moving myself and my customers to Debien.
Ubuntu have had there shot, and proved that they can't do it.

Cheers The kiwi