Please, Ubuntu, do not embarrass me again!

[Chan Chung Hang Christopher]

Basil Chupin wrote:
> On 07/06/10 23:34, Tom H wrote:
>> On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 8:31 AM, Basil Chupin<blchupin at iinet.net.au>  wrote:
>>    
>>> On 06/06/10 21:34, Chan Chung Hang Christopher wrote:
>>>      
>>>>        
>>>>> Pulseaudio is a PITA!
>>>>>
>>>>> Please, Ubuntu, do something in respect of getting sound to work "out of
>>>>> the box" for people who install Ubuntu.
>>>>>
>>>>>          
>>>> But pulseaudio allows us to match the sound system of Solaris and Mac OS X!
>>>>        
>>> Nobody is stopping you from using pulseaudio. The problem is that it is
>>> installed by default and does allow the sound to work for most people
>>> (read the questions in this ML about people having problems with getting
>>> sound when installing Ubuntu).
>>>
>>> Install alsamixergui by default so that people can get to see all the
>>> parameters available to get sound working - which pulseaudio does not
>>> allow as I have already explained - and then if you want to stream or
>>> whatever your sound then install pulseaudio.
>>>
>>>      
>>>> Why should one app hoging the sound to the exclusion of all others be a
>>>> defining characteristic of Linux?!
>>>>        
>>> Exactly. Why should a PITA app. like pulseaudio cause such hassles with
>>> sound for people installing Ubuntu?
>>>      
>> I can't begin to understand why anyone would want to use pulseaudio on
>> OSX given how many problems it creates on Linux and how smooth the
>> audio experience is on a Mac (or even on Windows).
> 
> Umm, in Windows there is no sound until you install the driver for your 
> sound card. Have no idea about the Mac.

It is not any different for any operating system including Linux. No 
driver, no sound. I don't see how that is even an argument in favour of 
Linux...


> 
> At least in a Linux distro until pulseaudio was foisted on everyone you 
> could get sound pretty simply using alsa - and without even having to 
> install the sound files from the CD meant for Windows installation.
> 

I am sorry to hear about all your troubles but pulseaudio works just 
fine for me over where I am running Kubuntu Jaunty 9.04 and also when I 
was running Kubuntu Intrepid albeit after a bit of work to make sure 
pulseaudio runs when I log on and the occasional kill pulseaudio daemon 
and start it up again on the terminal.

Complain all you like about pulseaudio, alsa by itself was not an 
acceptable solution. The constant having to make nothing else had a lock 
on alsa access before playing music, watching a video was a pain in the 
neck. Probably just like how you currently feel about pulseaudio until 
it gets fixed.