Robert Holtzman holtzm at
Sat Jul 24 08:03:30 UTC 2010

On Sat, Jul 24, 2010 at 05:31:00PM +1000, Basil Chupin wrote:
> On 24/07/10 00:44, J wrote:
> > On Fri, Jul 23, 2010 at 06:01, Basil Chupin<blchupin at>  wrote:
> >
> >    
> >>> Point me to a non-Gmail/Yahoo/etc mail service that allows me to:
> >>> A: aggregate, organize and archive e-mail from 50 - 100 different mailing lists
> >>> B: Provides a not perfect but usable interface that can be accessed
> >>> from any machine any where
> >>> C: Doesn't cost me anything to use
> >>> D: Provides labeling and decent filtering as well as very good spam
> >>> catching (I average about 1 - 3 spams per month that don't get
> >>> filtered, and ALL of those are spammers posting to a python list I'm
> >>> on)
> >>> E: Provides mobile applications allowing similar access via my
> >>> Blackberry, iPod, or other mobile devices at any time
> >>> F: Allows me to synchronize calendar appointments between multiple
> >>> calendars and on mobile devices with various access controls and
> >>> sharing features as well as send reminders via SMS and e-mail
> >>> simultaneously
> >>> G: Allows me to also use these meshed services to share documents
> >>> between myself, co-workers, etc
> >>> H: Does all this without me having to do much configuration at all on
> >>> my own saving me more time that I could spend getting things
> >>> accomplished
> >>>
> >>> and I'll gladly try it out and get away from GMail.
> >>>        
> >    
> >> Ummm, I don't know where you are because your gmail address tells no one anything - which is why most people use, I guess, because it hides their
> >> identity; but don't quote me as I have never used any qmail or yahoo or anything else goobly-dooky except my own ISPs' facilities for mail and
> >> their maibox facilities. If your ISP doesn't give you the flexibility to have what you want then you should consider looking for another ISP, no?
> >>      
> > I have my own hosted server in Chicago (or Dallas now, I guess) for
> > personal mail, plus a server for work using IMAP.
> >
> > For mailing lists though, I use GMail because I don't care to store
> > the hundreds of thousands of old e-mails on my own storage, or storage
> > I'm paying for.  Google gives me something like 8GB of mail storage
> > for free, they host it,
> I've read your response but won't respond to it para by para if you 
> don't mind :-) .
> I see that Billie has really stated which I would have stated anyway - 
> TB has all the facilities to do everything you want to do.
> But there is one comment I will make here which I will be repeating to 
> Preston in a minute or so and that it seems that you are really living 
> in a third-world country where you have no competition but are forced to 
> only use 2 service provider systems.

Yup. That's us here in the U.S. It's called Capitalism. Also known as
the Golden Rule....he who has the gold makes the rules.

Bob Holtzman
Key ID: 8D549279
"If you think you're getting free lunch,
 check the price of the beer"
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