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[Tom H]

>> Not only is NM not the problem but I find this irrational hate that
>> many for what must be the most widely used "network manager" (generic
>> use of the term, not NM itself) bizarre.


>   1/ when speaking of "networkmanager", most people, if not not all,
>      have actually in mind "NetworkManager", as this is what comes
>      with Ubuntu intalls. If you know a better one, tell us.

That is why I said "generic use". wicd is a network manager.


>   2/ why do you call "irrational" what is in fact the result of experience:
>      For myself (but it seems that I'm not the only one), it happened
>      several time that I experienced network problems (generally network
>      not working at all), and that these problems disappeared as soon
>      as I removed NM.
>      I feel that NM is just one example of the present tendency to
>      make Linux behaving more and more like Windows, hiding all system
>      operation, so that's it's more and more difficult to convince the
>      system to do what you want, and not what it has decided to do.
>      An other example is the replacement of init.d scripts by upstart
>      With the former, it was very easy to modify a script (what was needed
>      some time ago, for example, to enable usb for virtualbox guests)
>      I have no idea how I would do that now, and it's not the initctl
>      man which can give the answer!

When I used "irrational", I was thinking more globally about many of
the anti-NM messages on this list and on other lists; I should have
probably used Pavlovian. Many people's first reaction to many network
problems is "uninstall NM" wether is has anything to do with the
problem or not.

As with many things, people who have problems always make more noise.
My point was that NM is the most widely used "network config and
access" app so we ought to have far more complaints on this list, on
the Debian list, on the Fedora list... I have clean-installed KK for 9
friends (default installs with NM) and none of them have complained.
NM may be worse than other default apps and have more complainants but
it is not as bad as it critics make it out to be.

I don't think that NM makes Linux more Windows-like it is Gnome in
general (KDE may be the same but I do not use it). Witness what you
see when you run gconf-editor. The app looks like a mix between
Windows' registry editor and OS X's property list editor. You can only
run it as yourself or as root (with gksu or gksudo). If you want to
change the login screen of KK, you have to use gconf-tool-2 at the cli
and know exactly which xml element you need to change. This last
"quality" reminds me of when we used to exchange obscure registry
editing tips in my WIndows admin days...

For upstart, KK clean install edit scripts in /etc/init or /etc/init.d
and for an upgrade from Jaunty add /etc/event.d to those two
directories. Within upstart jobs, scripts need to be prefixed and
suffixed by "script" and "end script" respectively.